Singapore clamps down on illegal anime downloads (Finally)
The last time I blogged about this illegal downloads topic, I actually got news that while it’s true, they were not really starting to execute it yet. But it seems like all that is about to change.
You can see a list of liscensed anime here.
After asking various people that I think would know better, I can’t confirm whether this is actually happening, although my instincts tell me that the government is serious this time. Don’t ask me things like whether Bittorrent / youtube / crunchroll is illegal. I have no idea, and if you’re worried, you shouldn’t try any of them but should buy the licensed VCDs instead. Besides I think it’s hard to quantify whether the actual creators of anime gain or lose out by the use of fansubs.
Don’t bother debating what effects this has on the anime community in Singapore. Whether good or bad, it has been debated to death over and over again. I guess the government believes that it’s vital to uphold Singapore’s reputation as a place that protect intellectual property.
Obviously I have no idea whether this is fact or fiction, but you’re better off stopping downloads.
Anyway, personally for this blog, I haven’t decided what to do with it. I’m considering whether to continue blogging about unlicensed anime titles, (compared to the list mentioned above), and letting my jap friends fill in some blanks as well.
Yup. No idea where I would go from here. But the most sad part to me is that this would definitely mean the death of the current local anime blogging community. (It will probably still exist, just in a modified form)
*update* Odex is updating their website to include translator’s blog, paid anime downloads. That should be interesting.
*another update* Actually, I’m pretty upset with the comments I see in the singapore blogsphere in general with regards to anime downloads. It shows how much we’ve come to think of anime as “free stuff”. I’m quite excited with what Odex and companies are planning to do, why won’t people just give them a chance. Time to do things within a legal framework. Half the time, the reasonings I see behind arguments are just plain excuses.
If i’m not mistaken, Singapore’s law actually prohibits any form of Intellectual Property (IP) downloading. Well, not sure if anyone’s noticed before that the newspapers has been showing this advertisement to “respect” Intellectual Property.
ehough im not downloading any anime but can i see anime online even if it is not lisenced.. is it safe or not.
Lols… hahaha watch on9 nvm… any anyways even if u dl now they can onli send warning letter as the law protects us… but better not… ODEX saga now over and They aso willing to let go of e matter so all relax lar calm down
Watching online okay as u did not dl the video or upload it is other ppl… If they wan catch dun catch us… catch those that do fan subs but… some fansubs pay money to sub anime for ppl… Watching on9 is okay… as at most will be the website kena warn not us as we did not dl, did not upload and we are not the ones who make e website
And if u all wan watch a video in original AVI quality watch it from stage6 website but the load is long so mus be Paitence….
One more thing ODEX’s fastest anime shown in Singapore are… D.Grayman and Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)… For animes that are on the rage, they show fast… If u guys fear waiting too long buy stock frm either Taiwan or Malaysia… they r faster… but most in chinese subs for taiwan and weird english for malaysia ones…
Tads all so everyone juz relax ok? Calm Down!!! PS: If watching online is illegal, even adults will be fine by ODEX as they aso watch online… so WATCHING ONLINE WILL NEVER BE ILLEGAL!!! If they make it so, they will instead be the ones to be fined…
Hi Sakurazaki,
You mentioned
“Lols… hahaha watch on9 nvm… any anyways even if u dl now they can onli send warning letter as the law protects us… but better not… ODEX saga now over and They aso willing to let go of e matter so all relax lar calm down”
So meaning if i am singnet user, and i still cont’ to dl anime. N odex track me down, so i wouldn’t be fine straight away? Only warning letter?
Who says that ODEX saga is over..? and they are willing to let go of the matter???
1) They quiet down (I think is more to get ready for the appeal on 3OCT)
2) There is a post on their forum that they are requesting the ISP to send an email/notification to tell the user to access a link to “agree” not to download anymore… Check that link and TODAY papers as well.There was an article on it.
Anyway Sakurazaki, Haruhi is licensed in US already… and not going to comment on your “suggestions”.
LOLS… I noe it’s licensed I nvr ask u all go dl rite? I say buy either malaysia or Taiwan stock right? Lols nvr read carefully
The download Part was typed by my friend as he believes he will not get caught [PS: Soon he shall]… Even as we are talking ppl are still dl-ing anime thru e net… Is juz wether they using torrents or other methods… But it is better to play safe…
If u read on e forum carefully “Activites toped after 3 sept will not recieve letters from us but from their Individual ISPs.”, they will now cease e sending of letters when they say this and onli sent a warning letter as of now before any legal actions!
The PacNet case is not over but even if so they can onli get PacNet users names and not fined them as long as they heed e warnin letter they will not go on wif the Legal action….
If you have seen what Mr.Anti typed earlier frm a TODAY newspaper extract as in comment 124, that it is also a breach of individual privacy that they know what we do thru tracking our ISP and fine us, Companies will juz sue ppl and not do what they are suppose to do…
Anyways… If u watch online, it is safe… If they fear so much Y did they come ou wif video sites in the first place rite? So dun worry Relax… as Long as u dun offend them, they dun care u…. n btw if they send me one to promise to stop dl-ing anime I will Agree to it… As long as they allow me to watch animation videos online.. to me this is alreadi veri good
TO K: I said buy imported animation from Taiwan or Malaysia… I nvr say dl… Can u Please read properly?… Lols
To K: OMFG… I cant believe u are so blind heheehe… Sakurazaki says buy imported titles not dl them lols… If u have nothing good to say plz shut up A$%hole…
Plz lar u think they so power ah? So mani of my friends dl-ing anime thru torrents and onli 1 got caught… I can onli say he veri Unlucky…. If they appeal succeed, they will breach what they have said in the forum that “PEOPLE WHO STOP DOWNLOADING ANIME AFTER SEPT 3 WILL NOT BE GIVEN THE ODEX LETTER”, then ppl will start to question them again….
As far as I noe… Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu is such a popular anime that downloaders in US itself cant be stopped… Somemore it’s coming out a Second Season… U think ppl wont start dl again? frankly speaking U can stop 1 but 1million ppl are dling, can u stop them so easily?
And btw… Y u so agitated? Izzit because u’re one of them who got fined?
What’s wrong wif u ppl watch online cannot mus dl ah? Serves u all right man!!! Even if ODEX ask us to agree to this I will gladly agree… Let me tell u tis ppl not scared till they see the ghost… Before that they dl, dl, dl, without thinking of e consequences… Think abt it, If u release a anime and ppl dl u dun earn money… then u might as well shut e company down…
U ppl are juz too agitated.. let them appeal… Let them stop us… As long as u dun dl anime, u watch online [Definetly not Illegal] or dl frm ODEX or any Legal sites [Sites that require u to pay money thru Credit or PayPal], then nothing will happen to u
PS: Mr. K, Dun ask stupid questions?… Odex Saga over liaos… [Offical], PPL now scared sure “AGREE” de… the things u raise are stupid… Lols.. Period!
Hmm…Seems like you read my post wrongly. Oh well, maybe I didn’t type it clearly enough. My previous post was not targeted at Sakurazai-san at all, except for the last line just for pure information. I don’t know why is it that the moment someone writes from a different view. It is always taken as a “agitated” point of view. Don’t be so defensive.
I only merely said that I am not commenting about Sakurazaki san’s suggestions. Importing is one thing that I do too… I didn’t want to comment is because sometimes importing from Taiwan or Malaysia, you have to be careful of bootlegs. And not everyone can afford to import.
I did not even mentioned about downloading…
2) To: Mr Anti, I do not denied the fact that people will start downloading again. It’s just pure Human nature…
And No, I am not one of those who got fined…
if wan watch online some anime are also nt avaliable…..if dl but after watching den delete will still considered illegal or not? cause stream cannot put in psp n watch outside….nw scared scared cause still dl after sep 3rd….
God Bless Indonesia..
and to all fellow singaporean, hopefully something good will happen.
interesting read on the matter..
http://siewkumhong.blogspot.com/2007/08/odex-pte-ltd-v-pacific-internet-limited.html
just wanna ask sumthin’
i’ve seen all this ruckuss about downloading anime from the net in SG, and just wondering whether scanslations is also ‘forbidden’?
just asked this out of curiosity, coz maybe some publishers out there started having the same weird idea as following on this “odex” creature’s footsteps…
oh, and one more thing. can they track anything we’ve downloaded via IRC network? scanning all the above, i only spots sentences reffering torrent downloaders who got caught…
Hehe… Don’t worry as other companies other than those in US n Singapore “Odex”, will not do so… As the other companies do not have so much licensed anime with them as they depend on sales of other CD/DVD sales… Take for Example “Poh Kim”, They aso sell HK Drama Series and movie titles they earn mostly from selling these… They do not care much about the downloading of HK Drama series as they do not take up most of what people are downloaing… Most ppl around the World DL Jap Anime as shown in Surveys done throughout the world
Who says mani titles cannot b found online? If u can read chinese, U can find that mani animes are avaliable in Chinese Subs n they r usually released the day after it shows in japan
Well tads all I wanna say but If u still not scared n realli wan find out wether will u get slapped with a ISP Warning letter, by all means continue dl-ing… but dun think they so free to track everyone…
After a few months of peace, suddenly I receive an email from ODEX again saying that they want to resolve unresolved cases and that they are gonna hand over these cases to “copyright owners/exclusive licensees” for them to take actions. Has anyone receive such an email?
not that i know of.. but i read from a forum, someone receive an email too. By the way, what do they mean by “unresolved”? You mean as in “did not respond when received the earlier letter” or they are passing that whole stack of documents(IP logs) to the copyright owners?
The “unresolved”, I guess, meant those that have received the intial letter, gone down for the “chat” but have yet to be “fined”. Actually I’m quite shock that ODEX still dare to proceed with this “legal” action although it’s awaiting its appeal case against PacNet to be heard.
Just wanna update you guys what have been happening since the letter I received. Well, I did not respond to their letter and guess what, instead of putting my case as unresolved, they sent me another letter informing me of the fine! How weird!
Hi Meow,
So are you intending to pay up or just KIV and see what happens?? I think Odex is still trying to milk whatever money they can milk out of this whole situation. Is there any dateline they set to the “fine”???
i don’t intend to pay. actually i wanna see what’s the outcome of their appeal case b4 i decide on anything. i also believe that they are “milking” people. but somehow i’ve a feeling that quite a no. of people have already paid up. anyone here has any info? well, the dateline is supposed to be today.
lol kidding me until now they still havent resolve the damn prob?
taking undergroud measure now eh>.>. damn odex zzz
My friend who got the ODEX letter aso did not pay the initial fine of 3500 dollars… now Odex reduce to 600 dollars he still hack care them and still dun return… He has decided not to return =P… P.S. I support him in doing so
Juz dun buy their products buy at JB and ask them to send over better den let Odex earn our money although they have right to sue but they must consider most of the anime watcher and downloader are youngster if the anime they watch is good and worth to keep they definely will buy the original to keep provide the graphic muz be good i also download but at the end if the anime or movie is worth to get original i also buy no matter i have the download version
well firstly u have to know .they are just “doing their job” by leeching us off for the poor quality low sales that they are suffering.i find the excuses that they give about do justification for the anime companies were even up to their call of duty.
simply doing something like that will only make things worst as well as making them look bad on their image.anyway wat do i have to care about them.poor quality anime just dont justify the needs of singapore anime fan.sorry i better quote that as anime fans internationally.
Lolz…. At Least they tried to improve… coz recently the VCDs n DVDs they release quality have gone up… but many of the titles are not avaliable in shops anymore and also they lke hack care for rying to distribute anime but pioritise in sueing us… no offence but are they doing their job?
As for me either I watch it online or wait for imported DVDs from Malaysia or taiwan… Or if u travel to Malaysia u sure can bring it back as long as it is Original and not Pirated… they cant stop u from getting originals…
Sakurazaki, your fren who did not pay up, can ask him/her to visit the XedoDefense website? This applies to other people who hv not paid up or if you know of anyone who has not paid up. Thanks.
The DVDs from Malaysia and Taiwan, I tot they either dubbed mostly in Mandrain or subbed in Chinese?
So, to be honest, who still dl anime as usual.
And anyone has any news on Odex now? Tks
As for your 1st question, I don’t think anyone in their right mind will answer you. As for the 2nd question, the appeal case is still not concluded yet. Still waiting…
what a long comment page. I certainly stop dl from p2p.
Lolz Odex is back in TODAYâ„¢ News again… This time they seek help from 6 Japanese Companies… but they now are not allowed to get any names from the ISP and are to pay a compensation of 20,000 to the respectful ISP companies. The ISP can also request for ODEX to give back the list of names submitted. But now the 6 Japanese Companies may take action, but they have yet to report as when they will start. the Japanese companies can onli take 500 names of alleged illegal downloaders but have to pay 13.50 to the ISP for each Person they reveal to them.
Aiyah… Like tad hor might as well wait to watch online… dun use torrent lar… try use other downloaders… or watch from Crunchyroll or just pay money to watch high Quality in Crunchyroll, or watch from Youtube or Veoh. for avi Quality FOC, watch it on Stage6. Anyway anyone has recieve the ISP warning letter? no right? They wont b so free as to track everyone… Our country might b small but hard to catch everyone who is trying to do illegal stuff.
Well, after reading/watching the news, alittle comfort is provided that at least now it is Clear to everyone that Odex still do not have the rights. Passing the list to the Jap companies, well, it is still up to them. But I seriously hope that they will really think about it. We just might be the first batch to start the real “crackdown”. You will never know what they are thinking…
Personally, I am not keen on streaming sites, by placing the episodes on streaming, you actually can be causing the fansubbers to be prosecuted, if you look from the other perspective.
~this is just some thoughts~
Hmmm… now Stage6 is closing due to high Production Cost… well nvm still can get good videos from other sites as well…
I dun tink they will be doing much from now… since well… Odex’s site got hacked and they couldn’t care less about us anymore… just makes it look like Anime Downloaders are free to dl again…
Sakurazaki
Can we really though? With the Pacnet court case the Japanese studios are now aware of the situation here, and they are just a step away from taking action. Some say it’s too bothersome for them to spend time on it, but do we really even want to risk provoking them into doing it, or can’t we just keep ourselves quiet(er), like we have these past few months?
Dashing out in the dark here…
Some people juz dun care about dowloading animes as being a hassle anymore… some of my friends are still downaloding anime thru sites though….
As for Me… Maybe I see the Situation… I can buy Imported DVD or VCD from Taiwan or if u have the money… Go to HK or Taiwan n stock up on them monthly… As for me… I still young so not much Money to do so… So Mayb in a few more years
Btw… my Friend DL so Mani animes since then n has not got caught yet… I dunno mayb he is juz Lucky
Sakurazaki
Ok, I watch anime online for free… But I watch on Crunchyroll.com, and they make a point of taking anime off that has been lisenced, so as far as I know all theirs is legal. They also do not let you download the anime they have, so once it is lisenced you cannot keep watching it (and it is really annoying to have it lisenced while you are in the middle of a series.) All the anime I watch off crunchyroll because they got rid of it, for obviouse reasons, I plan to bye it as soon as I get a job… lol, it has to be pretty good for me to want to go anywheres besides crunchyroll ^_^ I just thought people might want to know that crunchyroll is a good site to watch, and there are no legal issues there.
xoxo
Tierza
DaMN…. Odex in news again… but still they cant fine us for dl-ing anime oni the Japanese Companies are allowed to do so… As to whether they will do so, many Singaporeans do not think they will do so, as in Singapore, they have to fly down n waste money, watse court fees of like more than 10 to 20k or even more juz to fine us for 3K to 5k. They wont do anything that will waste money rite? In U.S. they are able to do so as the law is stated “Sub-Companies are allowed to take legal action aganist the prepetrator.” but in Singapore, there is no such Laws… so hw? is it safe to dl again? or are we juz going to damn f**k care them?
Sakurazaki
Checking back after so long.. and reading this again.. i must say.. Odex really done themselves in.. while i do agree that many Singaporean fans have taken fansubs granted free, it seems that odex is dying.. if you go to poh kim and check out the title sales, many of them are actually selling for S$15 dollars and less.. or 4 box sets for S$25. This actually shows one very vital thing.. you don’t just offend the cliental base from which you draw your main profits from.. and expect them to go ‘oh alright sue me. btw i’m heading down to poh kim to pick up a set of Bleach’ -for that i really want to laugh at Odex.. forget all the talk about waiting and seeing what Odex and COMPANIES can do.. Btw, what other companies that are based in Singapore? Just a really really curious question..
If anime was really dying in the jap industry cos of fansubs, i wonder, would they be dug a deeper grave if there were no anime globalization provided by fansubs.. Its really common sense.. does the japanese economy have the finances to provide the type of publicity fansubs over the internet has? Just another curious question really..
So I’m in singapore for a month…am working in a law firm…and they have this super fast connection….i cant exactly watch the stuff streaming in office….how safe is it for me to download episodes off websites like bleachexile, realitylapse, etc????
> soumya shanker : don’t think anyone here will give you a definite answer. this is pretty much to your own discretion. If you read the above comments, you pretty much can decide on your own.
I noticed recently when I stepped into PohKim, I see similar packaging to Odex VCD but this time without their branding and the back of the back says “Media something Pte Ltd” sorry forgot the company name. Was about 2 weeks ago. Anyone has any idea if this is just repackaging? Everything else looks the same except for that paperbox design.
Wa… Been so long since I came here… well, Odex realli seems to be dying… One whole box VCD at $5 and One Whole box DVD at $10… they realli are killing themselves… Well… I;ve been to the recent SGToy&ComicCon held on the 28 to 29th june… I went for both days and I saw somwthing disturbing to the eyes… yupz none other than our Singapore’s most famous Anime Company “Odex”… Well they were not selling anything except showing Bakugan B’daman… I tink so… and luring kids to the booth… but man was that place squezzy…
Oh btw… Who says all over the world, it is illegal to download anime, Two countires veri near us for example are not, yupz taiwan n china… and aso… In japan itslef, ppl can dl anime, but CANNOT UPLOAD THEM… weird rite… can dl cannot upload… then frm whr and how they dl? beats me…
Anyways here’s what mani ppl tink… “Odex might fall soon in selling anime, but not dubbing and subbing them”… which means they are just like TV chnls… some sorta like Animax… they dubb and sub anime, but do not produce what they show and sell them to the public… Overall, they juz telecast to us… looks like if u want anime, u will have to go malaysia or buy China or Taiwan products… well mani shops sells overseas anime products… if u feel it’s not worth it watch online, I like to keep mine, so I regulary go to my favourite VCD/DVD outlet to buy what I like… PS: Sure have one near ur hse that sells imported Taiwan Anime DVD… its juz a matter of wether u can find it anot… thats all… If u wanna noe where can find these shops… there are actualli a few located along the North East Line… Just try find them… will chk back soon
Sakurazaki
Well, it’s been more than a yr since the Odex thingy and I’m surprised that many people still do not know about it and are still buying their VCDs/DVDs. I don’t think it’ll close biz soon. For those who know about it, I guess it’s up to us to “educate” the general public.
As for Anime DVDs, you can try this shop in Chinatown point. They sell lots of them (in Chinese subtitles though, if you don’t mind). I think they are located somewhere on the 2nd flr. Wide selections.
Oh, something else to add. You can oso purchase the anime DVDs from this website rightstuff.com. Although 1st time registration is a bit troublesome but it’s worth it.
Oh, you were there too? and boy, was the crowd overwhelming. In fact, I didnt even see the Odex word at the booth, till my friend told me. They were not even listed in the event booklet. I was “lured” in to the back of stage by that Domo-kun poster and they were selling D.gray man DVDs and others. Saw some people buying the posters though… it was a tiny corner.
Those for keep, I actually get the R2 release SLOWLY… is a little painful but really worth keeping. Luckily only a handful of titles… The rest will have to be Taiwan/China release, I guess. Sometimes I try on ebay for second hands too…
Wa… So many ppl go ah?… How about the CosFest VII… U guys went? No Odex there though but many cute cosplayers there… The most cute is the Haruhi Cosplayer… She the most busy I tink coz almos everyone is taking her photo… There were aso some other impressive ones… e.g. the Gundam00 Cosplay and aso the IronMan cosplay… Wow sure veri heavy lor… I duno how the hell they walk in them… the legs and hand sure veri heavy lor, hope they dun break any bones or any of their joints… There was anotehr nice one… the Mikuru Bunny Cosplay… so Kawaii~ all of them
Well… Looks like they now oni dub and sub anime for arts central and aso Starhub Chnl 56 [E-city]… Wa they no more sell disc and no more care us… I tink coz mani ppl are tinking tad their company will fall n collapse soon… but dun tink will b long since their VCD/DVD are selling at the most cheapest price in the world and aso… I even saw some shops selling their disc at 2 for 10 dolas and free 1 VCD or DVD… Dam they realli have done themsleves in… hehe I noe I keep saying this… coz muz emphasize mah… bo bian everyone wans noe how the hell Odex is doing now…
Anyway see you guys in all the upcoming Cosplay events and aso the CosFest VIII nxt yr… Cya there
Sakurazaki
For those who do not know yet, the letters are still being sent but this time round by the Jap companies themselves – Showgate, Geneoen & Sunrise. Something sure feels fishy here – I smell O**x in it.
Yeh, I read it somewhere. I am more curious if the letters were for those titles that were still being downloaded after September 2007, as mentioned by O**x. I am just interested to see whether O**x has a hand in it…
Well, in my opinion, perhaps they should go after those selling bootlegs first.
I think it’s targeting those who still use BT to download after sep 2007. My gut feel is that O**x definitely has a hand in it. Else, why would the japs target such a small market like S’pore?!
Well, this sort of argument can go on forever and forever to no avail…
Hmm… Let’s watch for now…
They? Definitely… even if they don’t, we can basically say they started this whole thing anyway…
Looks Like ODEX is not giving up yet… With Odex’s help Japanese companies are rising aganist Singaporean downloaders… An Article was found in Wikipedia’s Odex Section It States:
“In early August 2008, seven months after the High Court ruling, Showg4te (previously T0shib4 Entertainment) and G3neon Entertainment initiated legal actions on their own accord. Like Odex, they were represented by the law firm Rajah & Tann and sent out letters of demand to several Singnet and Starhub subscribers. The letters asked the users to “enter discussions” with its solicitors within seven days. Showg4te, which supported Odex in its appeal against Pacific Internet, consulted Odex before beginning its own legal actions. Settlements were reported to range between S$5,000 and S$6,000 (US$4,000) per person. In August 2008, B4yTSP was reportedly in contractual talks with other anime studios to track downloaders in Singapore.”
Lolzed… Juz when ppl tought it’s over… it may rise again. But if they want to stop these donwloads, they have to listen to consumer advice and not bloody send them letters… The demand for anime in Singapore is high, but the production is low… If consumers want to keep their anime n purchase them, there has to be a source… but the source in Singapore is low or more likely NONE!!!!
Speak the truth it is sometimes hard to buy anime in Singapore as they are limited titles… Chinese subbed, bad quality or juz simply… RIPPED FROM FAN SUB AND PUT INTO A VCD OR DVD By China or Taiwan Companies… English subbed animes cannot be found so easy in Singapore… And from what I heard from ppl… the anime that u download thru MobTv’s Animetrix can only be watched on that sole computer and has a license… it can’t be backed up and has a lmit to when the Video Expires… It’s like u spend A few dollars to buy something, u can’t eat or keep… and there’s nothing you can Freaking do about it!!!
Oh ya for those using BT… Beware of the rise of the darkness in Singapore… Mayb One day you will see people rise up aganist these Companies in the Youth park again… or mayb till will bring it straight up to the Singapore G0v3rm3nt and have it at the H0ng L1m Park’s Sp3ker’s C0rner… Yes Singaporean’s noe they are at fault… But ARE THESE FREAKIN COMPANIES BLIND? HAS MONEY MADE THEM BECOME GREED A%$ES? THEY HAVE NEVER STOP TO THINK WHETHER THEY THEMSELVES HAVE DONE ANYTHING WRONG???
If only they do their part and we do our part, then will there be peace… but are they doing what’s right? Instead of trying to solve the Demand for Anime VCD n DVD, they juz make matters worse by making more people riot & boycott them… Do they care for the DEMAND? NO!!! Do they care about the PEOPLE’S FINANCAL STATUS WHEN THEY FINE THEM OR SENT THEM LETTERS? NO!!! They only FREAKING CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AND THAT’S NONE OTHER THEY MAKING A PROFIT OUTTA PEOPLE!!! that’s not what they should do!!! They should care more about the people and not Freak care them lky what they are Bloody doing now!!!
Sakurazaki
Sakurazaki, you are from SG, right? If I am wrong, apologies.
Actually this piece of news has been on a forum for quite a while. Just some extra information, it seems like the lawyers letters are going out in small batches.
I understand where you can coming from. It hurts when they injured the very same people that are the consumers. As in the first place, unlike Japan, anime is not readily available on TV for us. We usually have to wait for a period of time before we get it subbed. And some shows will NEVER get here. As a snowball effect, you end up with bootlegs (fansubbed compiled and sold) or streaming and even copies available for download for immediate watching. I know these are no excuses but in consumers point of view, I admit, we are pretty spoilt in this area. Want everything good, fast and cheap. So instead of trying to bring back their corporate profile, they start penalizing the very same supporters.
And to think that there is that AFA08 on next month. Apparently this means that there is a market for anime in Singapore but if they just keep doing this, you will just have lesser otakus in SG. Anyway I am still going for that event. -K
WOW… Fast repli… hmmm Icic… u r singaporean? btw… Yupz Going for the AFA too… Juz tad I noe u here & u noe me here but we have completely no idea who we are in real life… ahaha… [Juz a joke dun take it too serious]
I haven been checking the Forum recently due to my exmas falling around august and september… Anyways this is what the world is like… every one juz has one thing in mind and thats $$$… but something these companies juz don’t understand is that they have to gain our trust and support… but they are juz doing the exact bloody opposite… they are gaining hatred and feud… There are actually things that can be done to stop this… but these companies are juz realli not doing anything to stop the feud… which makes alot of people’s blood boil…
O**x’s befall is a lesson to them that they muz and NEVER offend those who support them… but they can juz never learn it the easy way… They wanna learn it thru the hard way… and “bleed” it out before raising the White Flag… The reason for fan subs and Bootlegs is because they are not doing their jobs rite… they juz wanna grasp the opportunity to earn cash instead of recogniction… although they are earning it, in a bad way that is! It is taught in many countries that customers are always right [which in some case might not be true]… Y can’t they juz listen to what we have to say… don’t our feedback mean anything? then Y create the bloody paper called the feedback form… then y have people speak up for demands? Y have all these when u even bloody dun give a heck of a dam about what we the Consumers have to say?
Anyways… these companies may juz do themsleves in and end up lky O**x… A company who is bleeding to death and have no better things to do then to laze around and sleep their whole day off… What Faggots
Sakurazaki