Choice quotes by Odex (Stephen Sing and Peter Go)
A character with the online nick “xysing” has been found saying some interesting things in online forums.
“Nope~ Me too busy sueing people~ (o.o)yâ€
“Hahahahah! I double-6-ed so many downloaders~ serve them right! (o.o)yâ€
~posted by xysing in SCORD forum
And thanks to Hardwarezone EDMW’s CSI team, (thread here) It would appear that xysing is Stephen Sing Xin Yang. Which Stephen? That Stephen who is one of the directors to ODEX and the Secretary to Anti-Video Piracy Association of Singapore. Credit to Ferolare, who did up a wonderful entry compiling all the “evidence”.
If this is the attitude of Odex directors, then there’s really nothing that can defend what Odex is doing isn’t it?
Of course, recently, the Newpaper did another article on Odex, filled with many quotes from Mr Peter Go.
He told The New Paper that a US company had been hired to track down the illegal downloaders…. …Mr Go declined to reveal the name of the company Odex hired, saying only that it was also involved in several high-profile copyright infringement cases in the US. He said that the data collected was then used to obtain a court order. The court order required Internet service providers (ISPs) to provide the account information of users whose internet protocol (IP) addresses had been linked to illegal downloading.
Users who admitted to the downloads were made to pay between $3,000 and $5,000 in reimbursement fees to Odex, according to Mr Go.
‘The money they’ve been made to pay is to cover the costs which Odex has incurred.’ Mr Go said besides the usual legal fees, they had to pay the ISPs for identification of users, the US company hired to track illegal downloads, as well as the additional administrative staff.
Said Mr Go: ‘We just haven’t finished matching the data obtained from the other ISPs yet. We are not targeting any ISP in particular.’
He said: ‘There are so many ways people can get their anime fix. ‘And our VCDs and DVDs are already priced about as low as they can go, but people still aren’t buying. ‘It’s very sad.’
This pretty much clarifies a few stuff. Starhub users are not spared. No, Odex did not just pay singnet for finding out who downloaded stuff. They actually went through a court order.
To balance things out a little. Do keep in mind that there are also difficulties that Odex faces in producing your anime dvds/vcds. Firstly, they are only able to release old series (at least 6 months after shown on TV), because of tokyo companies. Fair enough. Sometimes they do weird things to their sub and the anime to get pass singapore’s censorship. Uh ok.
Yeah, it’s sad that nobody wants to buy their products. Well.. I think the quality of their products are damn sad too. Blaming poor quality subs on the fact that translations are outsourced? Hello…. that’s just an excuse. Shouldn’t they do their own quality checks. Maybe they can try targeting the fans who wouldn’t mind paying a premium for good quality as well as extras?
He said: ‘We would like to avoid getting to the point where we have to raid the homes of those who download illegally. But if this continues, we may soon have to.’
Yup. Way to go. Definitely the most reasonable thing to do. YEAH RIGHT -_-”
Riuva and Bjorn both have entries with regards to the newpaper article.
I don’t know whether it’s true if Odex is being pressured by Tokyo TV to go after illegal downloads. But their attitude towards it just plain suck. Now everybody is just living in a climate of fear. This is crap. Really. Yes i know, warnings were given, but few had heard about it. And the way things go now, there’s this impression that nobody is being given a warning chance.
Loving anime in Singapore is a miserable thing to do now
Update: Ferolare has another entry, complete with pictures for easy reading
Impz on THAT has a good article on why whatever rants the community does, will not hurt Odex. In fact, immature rants only make the community look back. While I feel for those who are being served letters by Odex, I totally agree with him, which is why I keep trying to correct misconceptions about what Odex is doing.
In this entry, I’m basically upset about the attitude of Mr Stephen towards the whole issue.
Update 2: News reports that starhub received court order regarding this issue of illegal anime download.
Anime distributor Odex Pt. Ltd. said StarHub, a telecommunications, Internet and cable company, was ordered to reveal about 1,000 of its subscribers accused of downloading anime illegally.
a suit against a third Internet service provider, Pacific Internet, for the right to track down another 1,000 customers suspected of the same offense, Sing said.
11. How are the letter targets chosen?
Randomly. It does not depend on the volume of download at all. This is because Odex wants us to realise that ALL forms of downloading is bad and ALL should be stopped, so even if you’re just downloading one a week, you’re still at risk. But if you are a chronic downloader, it just means your chances of winning any case are slim obviously.
I’d rather give money away to the fansubbers than to “buy what [I] want” from Odex. Cause the quality (I heard) stinks. Plus, I doubt they’d have the shit I’d want in the near future.
To BKeng
It is good to see someone who believes in justice, but in your case, I feel you have taken it to an extreme.
To all of us stung by Odex, I say
We will obtain our anime legally, but not from ODex.
Silverwolf X nuf said. There are some idiots out there that just dunno wtf they are commenting about they just join in the wagon & start flaming or posting comment that showcase their stupidity. Before that ODEX came out anime fansub is free & legal wtf make them think that their poor quality product is more superior to fansub. Fansub is FREE for ppls that live outside japan & love japanese animes & fansub was never to be sold. Did you ever see U.S distributor sue their anime community because they download fansub or because they get thru ebay? Get this fact right don’t mix movies or musics downloads the same as anime! It is not pirated or sold to make money it is spread so that more ppls can get to appreciate japanese animes. The community will collapse due to ppls like these who are money minded & watching anime isn’t their hobby but selling is. my 2cents.
Fansubs are free, but were never legal to begin with, as I have stated. But thats a different issue all together.
The main problem now is that a company here refuses to interact with its consumer base and listen to them initially, they didn’t have a PR department to boot, then out of blue start giving out warnings and strongarming, of course all hell breaks loose.
I found it funny how Stephen Sing says its a PR disaster now when he never had a PR department in the 1st PLACE!
Anyway, I seem to be starting to take sides on this issue and getting angry, guess I’ll go play some games and chill off or something. Later folks.
Well, I admit that freeloaders are angry over this, but we must stop to think: What made people go freeloading anyway?
Initially I bought a couple ODEX VCDs, but I decided not to buy anymore because the quality isn’t really that great.
I think Odex should not merely concentrate on hunting down the downloaders. At the same time, they should also be proactive in creating better quality products.
Just my two-cents
business should look into long term and nt short term. suing ppl nw may bring them lots of profit in the short run but will lead to a lot of satisfactions between customers.
Business’s aim is to maximise shareholders wealth, but where did all the money come from in the first place. ppls in the future may very well stop downloading for good, till then, where are they gonnna earn the money?
conclusion: odex may fold up then.
they should think this way, bring down the cost of buying those anime, faster release, higher quality and more customer satisfactions instead of making them more unhappy.
i am sure there are ppl who downloaded anime when japan is showing those, gt “attracted” to those animes. so when the animes were release in the market, they buy them for collection.
if the animes were to shown on the tv in singapore, the amount of ppl downloading animes like beach will decrease too. i believe they should work towards this direction instead.
Summary:
Odex should
-Improve goods and services
-Stop suing their potential customers
-If possible, show those freaking anime in Singapore
regarding to this i just feel sad. i just study here, hope to get free stuff and better education of course. but after seeing this guess no more downloading and no need for fast internet connection.
off-topic:
i wonder if downloading hentai stuff would be alright? they’re not licensed by odex or other company.
Anyone in here gonna open a stall that brings in Anime DVDs that r of good qulity n are of good subbing standards and are not dubbed?
It’s even worse when a director of the company engages in such despicable behaviour. Going after downloaders for a lofty cause then getting all smug and lording it over downloaders essentially destroys any moral high ground and justifications for their actions.
actually i planned to buy those vcd or rather dvd after the espisodes hab been released(even the quality sucks) as i feel tt it is right to do so after i watched them from internet. but this problems appear and i seriously thinks that it is no longer a company tt deserve the respect or even the favour of anyone. even a 9 years old child is not given a chance?
the release of this company is freaking slow. who will hab the time going to the vcd shop and checked for their release from what i noe they dun even update. and they are sue/fine ppl that hab once downloaded any version. even b4 they licensed the series and u hab downloaded them. if u are unlucky u will be picked up. so their trying to force everybody to buy espi that u nv even preview b4 as any forms of downloads even 1 espi will be regards to them as a form of illegal downloading.
giving us low qualities and telling us that the vcds were cheap. tt kidding mi. for example i sell a plate of chicken rice tt not even housefly or roaches will touch them and i sell them at 10 cents per plate. will anyone in the right set of mind buy it? perhaps Odex director will. saying us cheapskates then means that they not? selling low qualities item at a low price to them seems right. getting fines from us and saying that it will be use to pay for the cost of tracking us down? i think is BS, will u ask ppl to track down someone and collecting fine from the someone juz to pay the tracker?
even illegal downloads of movie and songs that happened pervious years and is still on also gave warning to first timer even though advertisement and news reports were saying that all the time. if i am not wrong downloading of animes had nv been brought up to news reports on tv or even advertisment. and tis company is bypassing so many steps such as giving warnings and etc and str8 away going on imposing of fines? is tis the correct way that a company shuld work? moreover Odex is not even famous as i hab bought some series of shaman king tt were produced from them without noeing tt the vcds were by odex. and if u ask ppl about odex they will ask u wat the heck is that.
seriously i think tt odex had the wrong mind set to advertise their company. by making their company known to others as a company tt provides lousy services while claiming that they did the best. and also blaming the downloaders of not buying such products. as i had already mention earlier on.
overall i am disappointed with tis company and i encourage those that plan to buy the vcds or dvds of their company after having downloads from internet to think again. as once u hab downloads the stuff. even u buy their goods, they will not say ok i will not charge u. they charge u bcoz u download and not not buying of their products as they cant do it too. with tis i end my words. Disappointed
Well, I and some of the bloggers can teach how to bring in R1 and R2s if they want, its costly to do so though, so hope you’re working. if you’re not, hope you have doting parents. -.-;;
I’m actually thinking of starting a store to bring in merchandise at Sunshine, inclusing parallel importing R1 DVds and R2 dvds on request and bulk orders, and stock those already complete as sets, 2 spots have been vacated recently and are up for rent.
Of course I’m gonna need capital ($70k at least) and I’m currently jumping around part timing so it would be a long while more before that happens. Maybe my parents might consider, but i don’t really want to rely too much, I mean in between odd jobs I’m leeching off them anyways. Oh well.
wth…
wth…
$3k – 5k? cover cost? utter bullshit… what is there to reimburse for? your crappy subtitle translations, the crappy quality of your product? or your exorbitant prices for both? next time, think of why people do not buy your animes 1st and d/l them instead.congrats on destroying your rep and pissing off the anime community here. enjoy the boycott while it lasts . GLHF
I totally agree with what no_business_sense said. They might be attempting to fill thier pockets with our monies before planning an exit altogether.
It’s like a hit and run. Their mentality might be :”since it’s a losing business anyway, let’s cover our losses by any means and then make a quick exit”.
I think we should let the names of all AVPAS members burn into our hearts and when we come across them in any ACRA listing, we’ll know who they are.
It’s just like we’ll never forget who Matilda Chua and Richard Yong are.
I will not threaten Stephen Sing but if I have the opportunity to meet him one to one, I will tell him this one sentence:
“May you live long to remember what you have done to your fellow singapore otakusâ€
quote modify from “300(movie) King Leonidas to Ephialtes on 3rd day of battleâ€
for all u self righteous people who thinks that anime downloading is so wrong, think again.
anime is broadcast on tv in japan, so obviously everyone there watch anime for free. so how do u think an animation company survive in japan? they do get revenue from the tv station from broadcasting their works but i believe profits should come from the merchandise they sell. this free tv broadcast to the people acts as a form of advertising, to generate awareness, and to showcase how good their works really are. if a work is good, fans will purchase its dvds, the artbooks, cd singles/albums, models, other small goods etc. better works will further expand into making games and even movies(death note and nana) to reach out to the general public.
whereas in singapore, the only source of new episodes of an anime is through fansubs, by downloading, which is sadly and stupidly, deemed illegal. what odex is doing actually affects the “advertising” of anime works. being the monopoly of anime distribution in singapore, blames the downloading of anime as the reason for their poor sales instead of blaming their flawed goods. they will hurt the anime community for money. odex, from what i see, love their money more than they love the anime works and its fanbase.
the following are my arguments.
-don’t anime downloaders contribute to the anime works? i believe most out there will definitely purchase a merchandise from a series they like, profits from singapore are like extra income or bonus which i dont think the japanese expects to earn from us.
-what makes u think odex will improve and not runaway and abandoning the anime community after they have profited not from their products, but from the law?
P.S
i would like to quote 3 words for the anime lovers and fans in singapore.
“It’s very sad.”
What if I watch the anime via download and only buy the DVD boxset only after it is release from overseas?
If ODEX catch me for tracing my act of downloading, will I still have to pay the fine? (Since I have the original copy. Not from ODEX)
iw onder why is it so weird… ODEX should be goin around banning the websites but instead, they come fine us ? They should fine those who uploaded them on the sites though… And whats more… Watchin online also gets caught ? The people who uploaded them shloud be the ones that should be fined because THEY ARE THE ONES THAT LET US WATCH THE ANIMES !!! Its so freaking weird to catch those that watch others’ uploaded anime when we are not the ones that should be blamed. Now i am so freaking confused whether i will be fined for watching other peoples’ uploaded anime without downloading…
Not that i am here to flame anyone or anything. But i must admit i am also in the line of fire. I personally find odex very amusing in that the fact that they do not care for their customer base at all and chase down us illegal downloaders. many factors have lead to todays tragic scenario and given that the uproar of comments is fast and furious soon odex would have to bury it’s head under mud and cover it self up if they want to continue to sell anime related products in singapore. They have cause alot of anguish among us netizens and their plan have backfired.
Things that have kept resurfacing in my mind is that why odex has choose this way to approach its customer base, as even a layman would know that the customer is always right. Can this be attributed to singapore’s failing service standards? This is service isnt it? I have reasons to believe that odex is just follow a mindset where what ever they put out on the market the consumers would like and have to buy. Well since they are the sole anime distributor in singapore they can do whatever they want.
The U.S approach, they way the anime distributors in the united states do things is that they go after the anime-subbers and warn them so that they stop distributing the fansubs online and for the fansub groups many of them gladly comply to the warnings and cease all subbing of the alleged work, but as we all know that is not how odex does it stuff. They get court order and blast the crap out of their consumers. case in point is the 9 yr old kid case.
The isp’s – i keep thinking how much of a resistance did the isp’s actually put up. Seems to me that their resistance was weak putting up a weak fight to protect it’s customers. The fact that court order was given to odex would show that the isp’s arent really shielding their customers. probably for the many that have gotten the dreaded letter the isp was their line of defense and that defense crumbled. It would seem to me that some form of transparency is needed to show that is really going on with odex and the court case againts the isps. How the isps really tried to protect us it’s customers?
Odex plans? well i would say that for odex the company is pretty much doomed they have incompetent directors that decide to lash out at their customers instead of thinking of ways to salvage the local scene they decided to destroy it all together. Local otakus will never see this company in the same light again. People whom have bought their stuff will feel regret people whom have planned to buy their stuff will now never ever buy their stuff. No matter how great their future plans are they will never succeed now. I am guessing that they probably do not have a contingency plan on how to get out of this mess which they have created. Most probably odex has just thrown themselves into a never ending abyss of hatred.
The goverment of the republic – i would surely like to know what is the goverment’s stand in this case, as things have already risen to the national level a response from the goverment would surely be welcomed so that we know that there is a third party which can be involved and be there to decide, instead of a war between the community and odex.
Although odex is not totally wrong but their method will surely be their demise. How far things will go i am not sure, but of odex doesnt do a 180 degrees turnaround things will surely escalate it is just akin to a ticking time bomb.
things i like to add.
i used to buy products from Odex. but ever since the 1st one i bought. the more disappointed i am after the 2nd 3rd and so on. the quality is juz really sad. the subbing is bad. inaccurate. and the timing really IS disgusting. at times i can even read subs from 2 minutes ago.
the packaging is certainly OK. but wat we anime fans really want is the content. not the packaging and wraping.
if the packaging is sucky, and unappealing. but the content is 100% effort. of course we will buy. i got a shelf full of anime (sadly alot of them are from odex) i juz watch once and stack it there. reason is due to the bad subbing and quality. watching it simply upsets me. the pixeling of the anime is saddening.
yes its cheaper. compared to imports and US counterparts. but imports and US countarparts are of much higher quality. compared to wat ODEX offered. its cheaper by ard 40%. BUT! the quality is sort of lower by 80%. that is not what we want.
bad sales is not due to downloading. BUT due to bad quality.
if something is of bad quality. seriously.. will u continue to purchase it? i think not.
sueing and getting compensation from fans IS not a way out. yes in short term they can “COVER” the loss. but on the long run. the sales will not pick up even if fans stop downloading.
the excuses from ODEX are juz as sickening. about the limitation of a VCD. but delieve it or not. even their DVD quality is about the same. and please don’t say the limitation on a DVD.
as above mentioned. really. there is no point in boycotting ODEX products. since not much pple are buying in the 1st place.
You’re a funny guy, eh, Mr. Singh? Really, if you think that’s going to save your pathetic company, good luck.
testuo01 is right, even if you you fine everyone and you have the money, and you will still have to close the company becoz until the time when you have no one else to sue in this country and people not buying your stuff, you will be feeding your cash into a bottomless pit.
I have a friend who has deeply devoted to anime, and when he invited me over to watch his volumes, our mouths opened wide. We can’t believe it was such a nightmare experience.
I remembered one of the volumes we watched is Angelic Layer, the video inside the VCDs are not smooth, and the video quality is totally worst than you buy pokemon single CDs you can find in the streets. Odex, you have seen the gold in the mine but you haven seen the jewel that is deeper inside.
Stephen. If you think you can get away with robbing of people you are very wrong. We all have our eyes on you already
Actually, I am wondering why we can’t use a local comparison to justify our claims?
I believe a fraction (i would say majority) of anime fans are also fans of manga. And everyone knows who Chuang Yi is in the local manga sphere. One manga volume cost around $6-7 dollars for the normal non-hardcover/special edition type. Not that cheap, considering that the cost will add up with each manga series having multiple volumes before completion. I personally have spent close to $10k on manga since I started the craze 6 years ago.
Every month, I still spend a substantial amount on manga. This is the case even after I found out SCANLATIONS existed. But I still buy original manga from local publisher Chuang Yi and Taiwan publishers like Tong Li. We don’t see CY beating their chest claiming falling sales due to illegal downloading of scanlations do we? Because they don’t feel heated competition from illegal downloading of manga and have confidence in their customers to support them. And their confidence stems from the fact that CY has been constantly improving themselves by releasing new titles fast and of quality (in terms of translations and packaging etc). They weren’t that good IMO in the past, because they had fewer titles, not impressive packaging and lack of publicity etc. However, I now respect CY as I have seen how they have grown over the years, adapting and changing to the needs of the local manga community.
They branched from just publishing Chinese translated manga to English versions of the comics. There is even a handy Chuangyi newletter thing, that is great publicity (i feel) as people can pick it up for free at places at bookshops/stationery shops where the comics are sold. They appear in book fairs and are supportive and initiate contact with schools as they know a positive attitude will win the favor of potential customers.
I think CY serves as a positive example of “How to make a successful business when dealing with Singaporean otakus”. Which is something Odex could learn from.
People getting sued for downloading Bleach can actually make noise though, all the versions I saw off Bleach on store shelves today are not regularly updated, and worse, its CHINESE subs only.
What about the non-chinese fanbase dammit?
Doesn’t matter to me, since I understand Jap, but as I said, what about OTHERS!?
i basiclly siding the “pirates”.
Yet i wanna say, “Stephan, ur face looks f***ing more suckie then my china man boss, & ur brain is far more simple then the 9years old boy u sued.” & “i will not tell u to get ur a** out of the picture but i will just cross my arms & see how u will die in ur own hands.”
When I learnt about a 9-yr-old kid also kena the fine, SS, think. For what kind of sins you did to the public eyes, even God is watching. You take money from him, and if the parents were to blame, they will just believed wad that YOU had said and blame on their child, it has alrdy leaves a scar on him. While other kids sees anime as a wonderful thing, he sees anime as a burden and shame to his family. Anime is suppose to be admired, and it is suppose to be an ‘okay’ thing. Now that you ruin the culture, you no longer belong here.
Support the Odex Rebellion against Odex oppression of the public and wear your Black Ribbons! Join in now: Find out more at http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com
If you were not able to participate in funding for the court case against Odex, play your small part against this tyranny. Stop the talk. Take action now; every small move counts.
Support the Odex Rebellion against Odex oppression of the public and wear your Black Ribbons! Join in now: Find out more at http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com
If you were not able to participate in funding for the court case against Odex, play your small part against this tyranny. Stop the talk. Take action now; every small move counts!
ATTENTION:
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THERE WILL BE AN ODEX BURNING CEREMONY ON AUGUST 25TH, 2007 AT THE YOUTH PARK OPPOSITE ORCHARD CINELEISURE! PLEASE BRING ALONG YOUR ODEX BOX CASES TO TRADE THEM IN FOR A BLACK RIBBON. THE ODEX BURNING CEREMONY WILL TAKE PLACE AT 5:00PM (1700 HRS). YOUTUBERS FEEL FREE TO VISIT, ALL ARE WELCOME. http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com
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If that’s really the case, than Odex should ban youtube as well since we can watch anime for free there too. Besides, the anime that is liscenced to them, One piece is already out to it’s 300 episode while they only publish 100 episode. How long do you expect us to wait??
ATTENTION:
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CHANGED AS OF 19TH AUGUST 2007 4:15PM (1615 HRS), THE ODEX BURNING CEREMONY WILL BE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THERE WILL BE A COLLECTION OF ODEX CD’S AT THE YOUTH PARK ON AUGUST 25TH 2007 AT 5:00PM (1700 HRS). BREAK THE CD’S AND TOSS INTO OUR JUNK BAG, AND THE CARDBOARD CD COVERS WILL BE SEPERATED FOR RECYCLING. ALL THRASHED CD’S WILL EITHER BE RECYCLED OR RETURNED TO ODEX AT THEIR OFFICE. SIMILARLY, TRADE IN YOUR BOX FOR A RIBBON AND JOIN THE CAUSE. http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com/
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I can’t believe that xysing so childish and cek ark, but already a father. (o.o)yâ€
Ok, correct me if i’m wrong.
I’ve been thinking alot about the issue.
Basing on some assumptions on my part, i think its in agreement that most of us will be boycotting odex stuff, right?
Just curious does anyone seriously think that odex will go out of business eventually? I mean seriously.
Because if you recall odex has some revenues from Mediacorp, i think,
for the crappily-subbed anime on Central at 9 pm on some days of the week. Plus the 3k minimium Mr Sing is getting from, most of the recently, the 1k people he threaten to sue from starhub. The notion seem rather remote.
These are the options i’ve considered
So at best, i think we can sue for odex monopolising on the anime market in singapore and hope it works.
At the same time we can complain all the way to tokyo to petition that “odex-subbed anime really-really suck!”. I would think its in their(the japanese) best interest to ensure that when their products distributed overseas, it will be of a decent quality because I hate my gundam seed destiny vcd set from odex so much i felt like torching it. (spend like 1k importing it from US or jap)
With the censorship board in singapore, chances are we’re getting another odex substitude. Unless the next company decides to stand up to the singapore goverment and make a decent case. and hopefully if we back the company and ask very nicely, the singapore government will fold.
Frankly, i’m saving money to migrate to japan. the girls are prettier
(taking japanese lessons now!!!!).
*(and spent like 1k importing it from jap or US)
Found this link from hardwarezone. Smth for a joke =D
http://forums.playpark.net/showpost.php?p=1533422&postcount=562
Booties Says:
August 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
I will only support other companies like INNOFORM who brought in KARAS and G.H.O.S.T IN A SHELL & not ODEX. What I can’t understand is their(ODEX’S) lack of acknowledging Singaporean Fan Base of anime. I’m willing to pay for DVD and good subs. But they obviously take too long and I can’t imagine why after 1 year of waiting (for bleach), They are still not releasing anything after episode 51 and it’s in mandarin and chinese subs. Do they need almost a year to load it in a DVD(or VCD) and sub? Anime like G.H.O.S.T in a shell (stand alone complex) was in DVD and it’s fantasic and cost me about S$80. I shelled the money out right after reading that it was DVD and had english subs. What’s the point of buying VCD and watch the lousier quality when the artist put in so much effort to get it in DVD grade? I will pay willingly, if they set up a wesite and release single episodes say 5-10 days after it’s aired from Japan and I pay with credit card. MY CONCLUSION : Make It a Legal Download. Or make it in VCD/DVD fast. Like 13 episode lag time only. Currently ( For Bleach ) Japan is airing episode 136 soon and Stores in Singapore are at episode 51 and in Chinese. And if you think Singaporeans ( 1 of the fast walking people in the world) are going to wait anything from months to years for anything like dvd movies or anime, you GOTTA be kidding. Finally, I feel that Odex is not trying to make sales better they’re just making sales from now on worse. Heard from my Hardcore anime friends that they’ll just pool money and buy from amazon.com. Looks Like I’ll Join In too. And from now onwards, will not buy anything from Odex.
look at this link: http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/08/19/odex-having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too/#more-864
Hi all,
A same case related to Odex’s Case.
Must READ and YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE FACTS!
Is kind of long but READ for your own good and defend.
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/08/07/the-riaa-vs-john-doe-a-laypersons-guide-to-filesharing-lawsui/
http://info.riaalawsuits.us/howriaa.htm
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/
Clarifying matters regarding former Odex Rebellion and event:
http://xedodefense.org/smf/index.php?topic=131.0
[Quoted from Today]
Voices on Radio
Is Odex stretching the law in its actions against illegal anime downloaders? Considering the age of some culprits, would a warning letter be enough? What trail has Odex blazed for other Intellectual Property owners? These were questions raised by TODAY commentator Thomas Koshy and other readers in the past week.
Tune in to 938Live’s Talkback programme from 8.15am to 8.45am tomorrow (friday) for a debate on this issue. Call 6691 1938 to share your thoughts.
Seems that the court has ruled in favour in PacNet on Thursday. The ISP does NOT have to submit the names of the subscribers who are allegedly accused of illegally downloading anime to ODEX.
no fair. why doesn’t starhub or singnet fight odex for the court order!!!!
They did fight, but they lost the case. So it’s quite a surprise that pacnet actually won
actually i think its the fact that pacnet is actually a foreign company. the singapore government tends to be more sensitive to issues with foreign influence.
or rather when it affect interest of a foreign origin
lokks like many people will switch over to pacnet
unless starhub or singnet does something about it
singnet maybe because it have some government backing
but starhub may most likely not do it
even if starhub did, its unlikely to win
actually singnet did not even hire any lawyer according to the news dated 25th aug. its a total letdown as a singnet subscriber..