Choice quotes by Odex (Stephen Sing and Peter Go)
A character with the online nick “xysing” has been found saying some interesting things in online forums.
“Nope~ Me too busy sueing people~ (o.o)y”
“Hahahahah! I double-6-ed so many downloaders~ serve them right! (o.o)y”
~posted by xysing in SCORD forum
And thanks to Hardwarezone EDMW’s CSI team, (thread here) It would appear that xysing is Stephen Sing Xin Yang. Which Stephen? That Stephen who is one of the directors to ODEX and the Secretary to Anti-Video Piracy Association of Singapore. Credit to Ferolare, who did up a wonderful entry compiling all the “evidence”.
If this is the attitude of Odex directors, then there’s really nothing that can defend what Odex is doing isn’t it?
Of course, recently, the Newpaper did another article on Odex, filled with many quotes from Mr Peter Go.
He told The New Paper that a US company had been hired to track down the illegal downloaders…. …Mr Go declined to reveal the name of the company Odex hired, saying only that it was also involved in several high-profile copyright infringement cases in the US. He said that the data collected was then used to obtain a court order. The court order required Internet service providers (ISPs) to provide the account information of users whose internet protocol (IP) addresses had been linked to illegal downloading.
Users who admitted to the downloads were made to pay between $3,000 and $5,000 in reimbursement fees to Odex, according to Mr Go.
‘The money they’ve been made to pay is to cover the costs which Odex has incurred.’ Mr Go said besides the usual legal fees, they had to pay the ISPs for identification of users, the US company hired to track illegal downloads, as well as the additional administrative staff.
Said Mr Go: ‘We just haven’t finished matching the data obtained from the other ISPs yet. We are not targeting any ISP in particular.’
He said: ‘There are so many ways people can get their anime fix. ‘And our VCDs and DVDs are already priced about as low as they can go, but people still aren’t buying. ‘It’s very sad.’
This pretty much clarifies a few stuff. Starhub users are not spared. No, Odex did not just pay singnet for finding out who downloaded stuff. They actually went through a court order.
To balance things out a little. Do keep in mind that there are also difficulties that Odex faces in producing your anime dvds/vcds. Firstly, they are only able to release old series (at least 6 months after shown on TV), because of tokyo companies. Fair enough. Sometimes they do weird things to their sub and the anime to get pass singapore’s censorship. Uh ok.
Yeah, it’s sad that nobody wants to buy their products. Well.. I think the quality of their products are damn sad too. Blaming poor quality subs on the fact that translations are outsourced? Hello…. that’s just an excuse. Shouldn’t they do their own quality checks. Maybe they can try targeting the fans who wouldn’t mind paying a premium for good quality as well as extras?
He said: ‘We would like to avoid getting to the point where we have to raid the homes of those who download illegally. But if this continues, we may soon have to.’
Yup. Way to go. Definitely the most reasonable thing to do. YEAH RIGHT -_-”
Riuva and Bjorn both have entries with regards to the newpaper article.
I don’t know whether it’s true if Odex is being pressured by Tokyo TV to go after illegal downloads. But their attitude towards it just plain suck. Now everybody is just living in a climate of fear. This is crap. Really. Yes i know, warnings were given, but few had heard about it. And the way things go now, there’s this impression that nobody is being given a warning chance.
Loving anime in Singapore is a miserable thing to do now
Update: Ferolare has another entry, complete with pictures for easy reading
Impz on THAT has a good article on why whatever rants the community does, will not hurt Odex. In fact, immature rants only make the community look back. While I feel for those who are being served letters by Odex, I totally agree with him, which is why I keep trying to correct misconceptions about what Odex is doing.
In this entry, I’m basically upset about the attitude of Mr Stephen towards the whole issue.
Update 2: News reports that starhub received court order regarding this issue of illegal anime download.
Anime distributor Odex Pt. Ltd. said StarHub, a telecommunications, Internet and cable company, was ordered to reveal about 1,000 of its subscribers accused of downloading anime illegally.
a suit against a third Internet service provider, Pacific Internet, for the right to track down another 1,000 customers suspected of the same offense, Sing said.
11. How are the letter targets chosen?
Randomly. It does not depend on the volume of download at all. This is because Odex wants us to realise that ALL forms of downloading is bad and ALL should be stopped, so even if you’re just downloading one a week, you’re still at risk. But if you are a chronic downloader, it just means your chances of winning any case are slim obviously.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
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August 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
With the legal lawsuits thrown left and right, the anime fandom community and spirit is slowly dying.
What I can predict is that, if they resort to such drastic actions, people are going to stay away from going into anime fandom, because of the fear of being sued. Being that the case, anime becomes the latest victim of “Singapore fad crisis,” after the bubble tea “burst” and the Tamagotchi craze.
/2-cents
August 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
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August 12th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
hmmm another round of media fiasco, looks like their reputation is going down the drain.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
How childish of the HWZ people. Now the truly sad thing is most of them are fellow adults as well. Is it no wonder people look down on anime fans?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
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August 14th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
We shall see how many Odex can take actions against. They may sue 10, 20, 50, 100. But there’s more than 200,000 of us all over the world !! Its just plain bull$hit, you don’t know how to run your company, then start learning how to instead of taking these lame & easy way out to cut your losses !!
In short, if you wish to declare WAR with us, you will be on the losing end. There’s more than 1 way of getting around things in the cyberworld ODEX !!
August 14th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Its so upsetting, Its clearly their anime come in late which is such a huge factor, plus the disgusting quality control.. omg, even fansubbs can sometimes do better.
Its jsut a matter of time before the online world finds a way to get around their stupidity
August 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
I agree with tjhan.
They are even have this boycotting campagin thread and are currently gathering funds to counter sue back odex.
And now this, desprately gathering information just to expose odex.
But have they ever ask themselves this?
How will this help the anime community?
It wont.
The best we can do now is to just STFU and see what odex does next.
Hopefully they would look more into what the anime fans are trying to appeal.
And try to condone with our what we want gradually.
Its not a matter of being a coward or anything.
Its the matter of whats the optimal thing to do now.
Even if someone really manage to counter sue odex back and win the case. (very unlikely)
It proves nothing except that there are loopholes in how Odex is handling this matter.
Yes, glory and hounour might shine on whoever that wins the case. And people from HWZ will look upon him as a hero.
But all in all. It will not help the community. Downloading will afterall still be illegal.
The government might even start to get paranoid about this online piracy case. And tighten up on online piracy laws.
I seriously dont think they will start to think
“oh how sad, a 9year old boy has been sued. Lets make the copyright law more lenient.”
Shouting i hate odex and acting like a retard does not help.
Everyone one please do not follow the sheeps in HWZ.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
And for all those that are wondering if what they claim as “legal fees” are real.
They are, i believe.
They have to
1) BayTSP (which, if you check around, is very well known for charging pretty high rates. Factor in the USD->SGD conversion)
2) Law firm. I still won’t name it, but they deal with Japan. So they would charge Japanese rates too. There’s a reason why japanese companies pay well - they spend very well too.
3) Court orders.
4) ISP charges. The ISPs are profiteering from this. They are charging pretty high amounts to release the data, since this is their chance to earn.
5) Odex having to hire extra manpower to go through the documentation, match, and then send them out.
And for god sake.
Those people in HWZ complain and bark whole day about their lousy quality.
And blame it entirely on their lousy quality leading them not to buy their products.
Yep it may be true to some of the individuals there.
But i have to say at least 80% of the others are just bandwagoning.
I dare say that most of them will NOT buy odex’s anime products even if they are of high quality.
They just want to enjoy their damm anime without buying spending any money.
In short they are freeloaders.
And even if they do buy, they will not buy for all series that they are downloading now.
Mayb just some of the more famous ones. Bleach, naruto, d gray man ect …
August 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Boycott campaign in this case makes me laugh. What’s there to boycott when nobody buys their stuff in the first place.
Personally think there’s no point to counter suing as well, since you obviously did something wrong in the first place.
I just feel for those who come from really difficult financial situations, who end up facing this fine now. *sigh*
Very wrong attitudes coming from both the community as well as from odex.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Hmms curious. I remember hearing somewhere that if they were to charge us for DLing unlisenced anime it won’t be a case at all. Thats the reason why animesuki removes all the lisenced anime torrents from their website. Is this true?
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August 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
@ Question: Not true. Besides, I believe you’re looking at the list of licensed anime in the US. AVPAS has an incredible long list of licensed anime in Singapore. If Odex did not have a case, they wouldn’t have been able to get the court order in the first place.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
“Very wrong attitudes coming from both the community as well as from odex.” By tedfox
Quoted for truth.
From how people are commenting and posting in certain forums.
They are pushing all the blame to Odex. Blame on their qualites, on their slow release and even on their moral values.
Why wont these people just wont stop and think.
“Hey, i was the one that downloaded the anime, i think its partly my fault as well.”
*Sigh*
By the way i was one of the victims as well.
And I actually posted in HWZ that it was partly my fault.
And we should not push all blames on Odex.
But guess what? I got flammed. Yay~~
August 15th, 2007 at 2:31 am
l-lawliet no point posting there, thats where most of the really pissed of ‘fans’ are and they’re to enraged to accept pro-ODEX opinions. In fact, doing so may get you ‘killed’. -.-;;
PS: I just noticed your nick is |-| and not a H, sorry if I messed up your nick before on other blogs. ^.^
Anyway:
‘And our VCDs and DVDs are already priced about as low as they can go, but people still aren’t buying.’
‘It’s very sad.’ - Peter Go
It should seriously be rephrased as:
‘And our VCDs and DVDs that are of questionable quality, heavily censored by our friends at BOFC and filled with cheap outsourced subbing are already priced about as low as they can go, but people still aren’t buying.’
‘I wonder WHY? It’s very sad. NOT’ - Peter Go
August 15th, 2007 at 2:37 am
German P2P lawsuits hit roadblock
http://www.p2p-blog.com/item-340.html
Canadian Rock Stars Speak Out Against P2P Lawsuits, DRM
http://canadian-pundit.blogspot.com/2006/04/canadian-rock-stars-speak-out-against.html
Similar stuff are happening around the world but Singapore is in the news (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/business/AS-TEC-Singapore-Illegal-Downloads.php) for being the first to clamp down on anime. Market so small, Japanese rights owners don’t even bother to release authentic stuff quickly here (if they release it here at all), yet bother to threaten this tiny little market with “legal letters” through their distributor! We are being laughed at, & it’s not tough to see why.
Our tiny island is easy to crow into submission as the anime community is so small, most are students (no real $$ power, fearful parents will just pay for them), and the laws (amended for the USSFTA) are thin on privacy protections & individual rights. Not to mention our people are known for being submissive & compliant, taking in everything the “authorities” say with nods of reverence.
Carrying on bickering, don’t band togther, & see if anyone hears you.
More fun from the US:
“P2P Lawsuits”and “P2P Extortion,” the 2007 yin and yang of the file-sharing debate
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/8480/“P2P Lawsuits”and “P2P Extortion,” the 2007 yin and yang of the file-sharing debate
August 15th, 2007 at 2:53 am
Believe me, if someone actually refuses to pay the ‘fine’ and goes to court with a good lawyer, you will see truckloads of those ‘bickering’ right now heading for the courts the moment they find out the date of the lawsuit.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:30 am
I just stopped a download cos I found out it was liscensed by Odex… is there any way to track that we downloaded the file 100% ??? cos we can stop the download anytime….
August 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Yes. You need a way to change your ip via proxying then you need to encrypt the downloads and also block the ips of tracking companies in canada/US that ODEX uses. Just encypting won’t protect you. Also, ODEX takes records from years back, even before their warnings, so if you get caught its just bad luck.
Recently heard Stephen Sing has made a police report because he has recieved death threats.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
I noticed that “Naruto” is not in the authorized list of AVPAS. Do you know why? Because “Naruto” is sold by Blue Max, which proves that AVPAS is actually none other than ODEX themselves! Not to mention that Blue Max’ quality is way more superior than ODEX’!
August 15th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Stephen’s recent remarks int he paper about what he said on forums was sue tp “a particularly bad experience with one downlaoder with a bad attitude.”
ONE.
Okkkkaaaaayy.
Now noticed in his very insesnsitive and arrogant remarks that he mentioned sueing PEOPLE and he double 6ed so MANY downlaoders?
Very smart Mr Sing. You not only shot yourself in the leg, the bullet even bounced back and shot you in your crotch.
Stupidity has a limit, this is beyond stupid. Yeesh. I give up on him, he previously added a tanker’s worth of crude oil to the fire, now he just added the tanker too with his weak defence for his lame remarks. Genius.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
I think the main beef most people have with what ODEX is doing is:
1) Never heard of ODEX until they started sending out their demands for $$.
2) Never heard of anime until they discovered it through friends or by stumbling on it online, through no effort of any local marketing.
3) Why, instead of reaching for the fans and trying to win them over, they’re reaching for the fans and trying to wring their necks.
4) Trying to turn this into a money making opportunity by not giving notice and by intentionally waiting for a long period to pass before going after the downloaders, thereby maximizing profits. (why stop them after they’ve downloaded 1 episode when we can catch them for the whole series)
Terrorizing Singapore one household at a time - ODEX
August 15th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
well, i find his remarks rather distasteful and unbecoming of an adult, much less a company director that has the license to distribute animes. as someone who has a legal right to bring us dlers to court for dling licensed animes, fine. but what i find is that he has no decent right to gloat like what he did. i certainly agree with Silverwolf. if he had the balls to make those comments, have the balls to defend them. ODEX themselves do a poor job of the animes they license, not only from the dubs and subtitling, but also the censorship.( i once bought a copy of KGNE from them, and was shocked to find it a poorly done job.) since then, i’ve been running a business dealing in searching for anime/game collectibles for clients, and i’ve always told them this: ” ODEX might be cheaper, but what you get from them is not what u pay for.” even animes that they license, such as love hina, can be bought in DVD format(completely original, with perfect subtitling/decent dubbing) for roughly 65% of what they charge for the 2 box set.
I’m interested to see how many downloaders will he manage to catch in singapore for suing. i;d say, he can catch 100,200. wait till he catches 4,000 to 5,000. the paperwork will probably be so much, he’ll need to hire a few law firms to carry out each and every suit, and get a little more money back after the whole fiasco is done.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Well hatori, according to 14th August Straits Times, Starhub will release more than 1000 names to Odex. 1000 names ..because they already have the ISP of these offenders….*cough* us *cough*.
I think it will be months before those on the Hit List gets the dreaded letter. So for the time being, I would suggest that everyone lie low.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
I’ve a question though… they just got 1,000 numbers from Starhub, and if they fine each of these a minimum a $3000 they’ll make $3,000,000.
From my limited knowledge I’m *quite* sure you can’t spend more than $200,000 to $300,000 for ALL the legal BS… so does it mean ODEX is making a PROFIT from all of this? Isn’t profiteering like that kinda illegal??
August 15th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
As far as I remembered, they claimed that they sustained a loss of 60-70% in total revenue due to illegal downloads?? So it this $3mil covers their 60-70% plus the legal fees and costs for catching us then its quite legitimate to claim.
But of course, someone must have the balls to stand up to them and make them come clean with their accounts if we suspect them of profiteering…
At least we have a questionable point to raise when we face them.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Have anyone even ask the so called director of ODEX this question:
‘Have you purchased any pirated DVD before?’
Not even a single copy of pirated DVD of any kind in his home? That would be too ANGEL !!!
August 15th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
well, if that is the case, wait for the letter if we downloaded anything licensed by them. (hopefully not) to my knowledge i don;t remember downloading anything that has had any relation to them.
regarding the 60-70% loss in revenue. hasn;t it ever occured to them that it isn;t JUST the downloaders? i mean, we all know the video quality is bad and the subtitles are poorly done. with a product like that, do you think us singaporeans will jus eat it up and not find alternatives for very long? just because you’re the main distributor, doesn;t mean that every anime fan has to buy your products. i lined up my stuff( direct-from-japan, ODEX, HK parallel imports and the “ahem” stuff) and compared them. guess which one is bottoms out? like what a fellow reader on Impz blog said:
Qouted from A Chicken Passeth:
“You might say that improving a product won’t stop piracy - this is true, because this ISN’T THE GOAL. THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE SALES WITHOUT ALIENATING YOUR FANBASE, BY PROVIDING A PRODUCT EVEN PIRATES WOULD WANT TO BUY. Once the fans stand behind your stuff, most of the marketing is already done for you, and you don’t really need marketing outside of a website.Antipirates forget the unwritten otaku law that even pirates observe: it’s better to own the originals than stuff on backup media. THIS is what drives EVERY media industry, and is especially what drives the industry in Japan!
Disclosure: I’ve personally seen Mr Ho’s and Mr Sim’s bad sides a few years back (and how I got to see this, unfortunately, must remain secret). They see themselves as victims and martyrs of the local industry - and they actually made an exclamation, to an entire meeting room, that they do not care for a fanbase that doesn’t think much of their products. I’m sorry, but after that episode, I can’t say I have any sympathy for Odex and its policies at all. ”
Couldn;t agree more.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
hatori, look at it this way, Odex has been screwing the community ever since they went into animation more then 6 years ago. Their subbing has always been low quality, outsourced and cheap. They take chinese subs and retranslate from that instead of direct from japanese, worse, thanks to their buddies at BOFC, it comes censored and mutilated by the time it hits store sheleves.
Its take a TOTAL IDIOT to buy Singapore released Anime. You not only get a hack job, its also 99% censored.
Blue Max is doing a fine job with their releases though, picking series that will not get BOFC’s buttsecksing scissors. Their recent release of Hanaukyo Maids on DVD is pretty good and almost to R1 standards. The box is simple but nice and clear and its around only 50-60 bucks for the full series.
Unfortunately, most series will never come to Singapore because of its content and as i said, because of BOFC. ODEX is only half to blame for the messed up state of our community right now, but yeah, having 1 arrogant and insensitive jerk and an ignorant loser leading the company will shift most of the hate to them.
Trust me, once ODEX is out of the picture and Stephen gets gangbanged by ah beng anime thugs, the next object of hatred will be BOFC. This will never end.
Its one problem after another for the anime community here in Singapore.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Despite SS distasteful remarks, I would still say that downloading anime is wrong in the first place, so all the mopping and complaining is just in vain. Lets just hope the letters sending will stop so less people fall into 3k debts.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Wrong yes.
I’m not trying to justify one’s actions for downloading.
But since ODEX sits on its fat ass on licenses and takes forever to get them out and in decent sellable quality, and since BOFC mutilates and bans others, what else would you expect an internet savvy fan to get the Anime he/she wants to watch?
Even buying R1 and R2s has its headaches, the moment your parcel falls into BOFC’s hands, good f***ing luck seeing it intact again. DHL is not recommended if you want your legit bought stuff to come in in one piece. EMS is expensive, but my R2’s from CDJapan has always come in untouched, so i’d recommend it.
Its the process of elimination. prevent a person from getting something easily legally, naturally they’d resort to ‘underhand’ means.
Tell them to give up Anime then? Be my guest. Its like telling Bush to stop buttsecksing Iraq or Osama to stop being a fanatical cuckoo.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
See, why don’t the hardline local anime fans pool some money and open up a new company to rival ODEX. That way all this nonsense would be avoided and we’d get much better products.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
hi
so wait, so absolutely no dling? even stuff showing right now in japan? like lucky star, etc.?
they are allowed to sue for ppl dling stuff not on their list?
Is that legal?
August 15th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
anyone knows exactly what kind of trackers they use? izzit mainly tracking torrent downloads, does that mean ppl who download from http or ftp are safe?
August 15th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
# Silverwolf X Says:
August 15th, 2007 at 2:53 am
Believe me, if someone actually refuses to pay the ‘fine’ and goes to court with a good lawyer, you will see truckloads of those ‘bickering’ right now heading for the courts the moment they find out the date of the lawsuit.
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Well, if u have to use the word “actually,” it really says a lot already. But couldn’t agree more with your other posts. To some of those sitting on their self-built mighty moral high chair, there are local anime fans out there feeling indignant about this whole needless controversy despite not having downloaded anything and people who are putting Odex down may not necessarily be immature “thieves.” No anime lover in Singapore should criticise another fan who is trying to do something when something can be done.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
how about we send letters to the Straits Times and Today regarding this issue, i’m sure that we can both put a end to the letter nonsense and keep Odex at a distance. bad publicity is one thing, but having it become a reality of the anime community banding together against a company who seems to think that because it holds the licenses to distribute in the ASEAN reigon, gives it the right to sell poor quality goods, i think it’s time we came up with our own countermeasure and put them out of business, for good.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Yes, there are people who have written in to both ST & TNP, hatori. It’s really commendable. But then you must understand that all media in Singapore practise serious self-censorship. Nonetheless, TNP has published a couple of the more measured letters and they had a feature on page 2 yesterday that suggested something quite constructive. I really wish IPOS & the Singapore government would listen & realise that what they are going down the wrong path. Odex would not would not be able to do what they are doing without a court order and legal backing. Will our “consultative” govt hear us?
Anyway, anyone knows of any meetings of anime fans or any group trying to do something constructive?
August 15th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
I’m very sure all the various newspapers have tons of letters already.
The last thing you should be doing is to wonder “is such and such a method for downloading safe”. It’s all freaking illegal.
Personally I think only those who are downloading by public torrents those anime that are listed are being sent letters. But unless you are the directors of Odex, you cannot say for sure.
Just remember that downloading/streaming is all illegal. If you think Odex’s product are lousy, you can always buy those R1/2/3 dvds. There are always alternatives.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
On what SW said, do let me know if anybody comes across anything constructive. I’ll definitely highlight it.
One e.g. is http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1696700
But, in that thread, which i haven’t had the time to read finish all, the followup comments arn’t too promising. A pity
August 15th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Unfortunately, you have to pay a serious premium to get them shipped in from Japan. I do that but then I earn my own keep - many students can hardly afford to do this regularly. Anime is just not a cheap hobby if u are serious about it. The problem is that the whole system - internet availability, faster ISP packages, slow releases, poor-quality licensed products, expensive imported goods, better alternatives - has created this “monster” that the authorities now want to crush and they are doing it the only way they think works best in Singapore. Music is probably too pervasive to clamp down but anime…. Well, it’s hard to be an anime fan in Singapore & now it’s even harder. I think anyone who tries to stand up & be heard should do their best when the media still deem it newsworthy. And it should be commended, not put down.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Ted it is true there is THAT solution, but our BOFC will screw us over if we don’t know how to ’smuggle’ those in.
That is why most resort to downloading even if they had the money to buy legally. On one end, ODEX is screwing us over, the other end, BOFC is cutting our stuff to ribbons.
The extra time, money and heartache isn’t worth it to an average Anime fan or freeloader.
I find it very ironic that if we obtain something illegally we get screwed, if we do something legally we ALSO get screwed. So in the minds of many: “WTF!?”
Anime fans want to watch their Anime fast, in their entirety and with accuracy. WE’RE NOT GETTING THAT.
The future of Anime here in Singapore is bleak, no mater the outcome.
We can’t do anything, since most of us here all “Talk cock, sing song.”
August 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1696700
A very good post, indeed.
Writing to the media may have limited effect and going to ODEX hoping to “educate” them is practically useless but what about writing to the people elected to represent us? Sigh, does everyone think there’s nothing that can be done??
August 15th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Sorry for double post, needed time to find this and couldn’t edit it in on last post:
Proof we are getting double screwed both ways:
http://originallyferolare.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/under-the-microscope-again-uh-oh/#comment-33
Tjose of you who bought their Shana release. I feel so sorry for you. I feel your pain.
I have stacks of their old releases I bout 6 years ago as a sec 4 brainless loser on 48k dialup. Looking back, I should have hanged myself. With the money I spent on their crap, I could have bought a PS3, 360 and Wii with 2 games each NOW!!! -.-;;
August 15th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Sorry, once more, further review:
http://originallyferolare.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/under-the-microscope-灼眼のシャナ-r3-dvd/#more-27
Ok, and Peter Go wonders why his company’s crap doesn’t sell. Try showing this to your American fans and ask their opinion. I did. He fell off his chair laughing at our misery. yay. >.>
August 15th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Check out the end of Page 4 of the above hardwarezone.com forum thread… there’s a group that’s planning to meet this weekend, I think. They are hoping to come together to find out more about legal rights, Odex’s methods, etc. Don’t know of any other group coordinating something like this but if you’ve got the letter or care enough about local anime, it may be worth checking out.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
They should just show CASE ODEX’s Shanna dvds. I can’t believe I’d have to pay to buy eye bleeding subtitles and censorship.
People. If you really hate whats going here. Work hard, save up, migrate to the states where R1s are all over, or Japan, whatever suits your fancy.
Those who want to stay well, Anime here will spiral downhill into oblivion and we’ll be forever treated as criminals. Yay.
Welcome to Hell fellow Otakus.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Dear All,
Someone has couragously spearheaded a movement. Of course there is much under ground work at the moment because of possible sabotage. Currently they are seeking people who are willing to contribute their expertise, such as IT or legal issues and etc and people who have actually received the letter.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:00 am
I have a question: Did Odex buy the right to translate animes ONLY or did they buy the right over the animes?
August 16th, 2007 at 12:54 am
The right to over the Anime and its related merchandise.
Anyway forgot something folks:
Also people, I like to point an interesting fact out to all of you. Bringing in R1 and R2 DVDs is actually not as legal as you think.
Most of us bring in from shipping methods like EMS that don’t go through MDA/BOFC. By right though, all film/aural media that is imported or locally produced has to go through them and get their Seal of Approval (aka Ugly Sticker of Death). Film media with some scenes deem inappropriate to them will be edited, scratched or cut off before the product is sent to you. If it contains material deemed inapprpriate as a whole, they’ll just confiscate your VHS/VCD/BD/HDDVD/CD/DVD and let you ROT IN HELL.
In the past I had some ADV Anime VHS tapes confiscated this way and I never got a refund. Since then I’ve wisened up and have resorted to ’smuggling’ through methods that would not go through MDA/BOFC.
Yay. I have to behave and do things like a CRIMINAL to get stuff LEGALLY! DO YOU PEOPLE SEE THE IRONY IN THAT OR ARE YOU ALL COMPLACENTLY BRAINWASHED BLIND!?
Anime in Singapore is doomed unless Odex bucks up, says its gonna stand on our side and refuse to give in to MDA/BOFC’s panel of geriatic’s decisions and release all good Anime with M18 ratings with non-eye bleeding subtitles and 100% effort involved subbing work.
……
HA.
I’d have struck TOTO by then and have left this control hell of a country if chances of that happening came true.
Peace all.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:12 am
Analysing the business strategy of Od3x, it seems like they are planning an exit altogether.
Fact is, they have lost all support from the anime community here. Even the general populace will avoid them too. They won’t be expecting any sales anytime soon (except cheap clearance sale).
So… start sending letters threatening to sue. Make everyone pay. Since the amount you will pay is grossly outweigh the price of their products, the P/L will look pretty good.
Once their ‘profit’ goes up astronomically (potentially in millions!), then exit. Sell the distribution rights to someone else. Fold up, take the cash and run… as rich buggers. Likely go into another non-anime related business.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Downloaders who dun pay are theives. Flat and simple.
Stealing is a a crime. Flat and simple.
You wanna steal, you do the time when you get caught. If you are too scared to admit you are stealing then don’t steal in the first place. Buy what you want.
If I were in charge, I would ask for all theives hands to be chopped off. (Yes! Even the 9 year old!) No one should deny another one their livlihood.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
So you’re saying stealing from a thief is justified? Steven Sing should get his hands chopped off then.
In todays papers he ‘admitted’ that his company had been stealing fansubs to use in their releases and is PUSHING THE BLAME on to his interns and his ‘outsourced’ translators.
Fansubbers ’steal’ from media recorded by the Japanese. If the Japanese that recorded the show and kept for their own use, fine, but they ’spread the love’ so to speak. Fansubbers then, with their own time and effort at their own expense, subtitle the recording and release them to their community in their prefered language. Odex then ’steals’ their work and claims it as their own.
Very convincing, stealing from theives is OKAY!
BKeng, you mindset alone puts you on the same level as freeloaders, cheapskates and braindead flamers who flame as if their lives depend on it. In fact, your one track attitude and inability to think on the bigger scale how things are getting effcted right now shows you are a danger to society and you should get your head examined. You are spouting the same crap like every other troller or mindless side taker need to get common sense and rationality knocked into you.
Unless you dropped out of school. Then I can’t blame you for being a one tracked idiot who only knows how to mindlessly add oil to flames.
Oh, and you are a danger to children and your quick suggestion of archiac cruelty suggest you are heartless jerk who likes power. Peace be to you. Loser.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
I feel like using vulgar language on you but that will only put me in the same level as you. Get out of here. You won’t even let a 9 yr old off, so how does that actually speak of yourself? Your words have spoken of how “well descipline” you are. Talking to you is just a waste of time.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
I’d rather give money away to the fansubbers than to “buy what [I] want” from Odex. Cause the quality (I heard) stinks. Plus, I doubt they’d have the shit I’d want in the near future.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
To BKeng
It is good to see someone who believes in justice, but in your case, I feel you have taken it to an extreme.
To all of us stung by Odex, I say
We will obtain our anime legally, but not from ODex.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Silverwolf X nuf said. There are some idiots out there that just dunno wtf they are commenting about they just join in the wagon & start flaming or posting comment that showcase their stupidity. Before that ODEX came out anime fansub is free & legal wtf make them think that their poor quality product is more superior to fansub. Fansub is FREE for ppls that live outside japan & love japanese animes & fansub was never to be sold. Did you ever see U.S distributor sue their anime community because they download fansub or because they get thru ebay? Get this fact right don’t mix movies or musics downloads the same as anime! It is not pirated or sold to make money it is spread so that more ppls can get to appreciate japanese animes. The community will collapse due to ppls like these who are money minded & watching anime isn’t their hobby but selling is. my 2cents.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Fansubs are free, but were never legal to begin with, as I have stated. But thats a different issue all together.
The main problem now is that a company here refuses to interact with its consumer base and listen to them initially, they didn’t have a PR department to boot, then out of blue start giving out warnings and strongarming, of course all hell breaks loose.
I found it funny how Stephen Sing says its a PR disaster now when he never had a PR department in the 1st PLACE!
Anyway, I seem to be starting to take sides on this issue and getting angry, guess I’ll go play some games and chill off or something. Later folks.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
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August 16th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Well, I admit that freeloaders are angry over this, but we must stop to think: What made people go freeloading anyway?
Initially I bought a couple ODEX VCDs, but I decided not to buy anymore because the quality isn’t really that great.
I think Odex should not merely concentrate on hunting down the downloaders. At the same time, they should also be proactive in creating better quality products.
Just my two-cents
August 16th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
business should look into long term and nt short term. suing ppl nw may bring them lots of profit in the short run but will lead to a lot of satisfactions between customers.
Business’s aim is to maximise shareholders wealth, but where did all the money come from in the first place. ppls in the future may very well stop downloading for good, till then, where are they gonnna earn the money?
conclusion: odex may fold up then.
they should think this way, bring down the cost of buying those anime, faster release, higher quality and more customer satisfactions instead of making them more unhappy.
i am sure there are ppl who downloaded anime when japan is showing those, gt “attracted” to those animes. so when the animes were release in the market, they buy them for collection.
if the animes were to shown on the tv in singapore, the amount of ppl downloading animes like beach will decrease too. i believe they should work towards this direction instead.
Summary:
Odex should
-Improve goods and services
-Stop suing their potential customers
-If possible, show those freaking anime in Singapore
August 16th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
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August 16th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
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August 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
regarding to this i just feel sad. i just study here, hope to get free stuff and better education of course. but after seeing this guess no more downloading and no need for fast internet connection.
off-topic:
i wonder if downloading hentai stuff would be alright? they’re not licensed by odex or other company.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Anyone in here gonna open a stall that brings in Anime DVDs that r of good qulity n are of good subbing standards and are not dubbed?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
It’s even worse when a director of the company engages in such despicable behaviour. Going after downloaders for a lofty cause then getting all smug and lording it over downloaders essentially destroys any moral high ground and justifications for their actions.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
actually i planned to buy those vcd or rather dvd after the espisodes hab been released(even the quality sucks) as i feel tt it is right to do so after i watched them from internet. but this problems appear and i seriously thinks that it is no longer a company tt deserve the respect or even the favour of anyone. even a 9 years old child is not given a chance?
the release of this company is freaking slow. who will hab the time going to the vcd shop and checked for their release from what i noe they dun even update. and they are sue/fine ppl that hab once downloaded any version. even b4 they licensed the series and u hab downloaded them. if u are unlucky u will be picked up. so their trying to force everybody to buy espi that u nv even preview b4 as any forms of downloads even 1 espi will be regards to them as a form of illegal downloading.
giving us low qualities and telling us that the vcds were cheap. tt kidding mi. for example i sell a plate of chicken rice tt not even housefly or roaches will touch them and i sell them at 10 cents per plate. will anyone in the right set of mind buy it? perhaps Odex director will. saying us cheapskates then means that they not? selling low qualities item at a low price to them seems right. getting fines from us and saying that it will be use to pay for the cost of tracking us down? i think is BS, will u ask ppl to track down someone and collecting fine from the someone juz to pay the tracker?
even illegal downloads of movie and songs that happened pervious years and is still on also gave warning to first timer even though advertisement and news reports were saying that all the time. if i am not wrong downloading of animes had nv been brought up to news reports on tv or even advertisment. and tis company is bypassing so many steps such as giving warnings and etc and str8 away going on imposing of fines? is tis the correct way that a company shuld work? moreover Odex is not even famous as i hab bought some series of shaman king tt were produced from them without noeing tt the vcds were by odex. and if u ask ppl about odex they will ask u wat the heck is that.
seriously i think tt odex had the wrong mind set to advertise their company. by making their company known to others as a company tt provides lousy services while claiming that they did the best. and also blaming the downloaders of not buying such products. as i had already mention earlier on.
overall i am disappointed with tis company and i encourage those that plan to buy the vcds or dvds of their company after having downloads from internet to think again. as once u hab downloads the stuff. even u buy their goods, they will not say ok i will not charge u. they charge u bcoz u download and not not buying of their products as they cant do it too. with tis i end my words. Disappointed
August 17th, 2007 at 12:19 am
Well, I and some of the bloggers can teach how to bring in R1 and R2s if they want, its costly to do so though, so hope you’re working. if you’re not, hope you have doting parents. -.-;;
I’m actually thinking of starting a store to bring in merchandise at Sunshine, inclusing parallel importing R1 DVds and R2 dvds on request and bulk orders, and stock those already complete as sets, 2 spots have been vacated recently and are up for rent.
Of course I’m gonna need capital ($70k at least) and I’m currently jumping around part timing so it would be a long while more before that happens. Maybe my parents might consider, but i don’t really want to rely too much, I mean in between odd jobs I’m leeching off them anyways. Oh well.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:39 am
wth…
August 17th, 2007 at 12:45 am
wth…
$3k - 5k? cover cost? utter bullshit… what is there to reimburse for? your crappy subtitle translations, the crappy quality of your product? or your exorbitant prices for both? next time, think of why people do not buy your animes 1st and d/l them instead.congrats on destroying your rep and pissing off the anime community here. enjoy the boycott while it lasts . GLHF
August 17th, 2007 at 2:38 am
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August 17th, 2007 at 9:11 am
I totally agree with what no_business_sense said. They might be attempting to fill thier pockets with our monies before planning an exit altogether.
It’s like a hit and run. Their mentality might be :”since it’s a losing business anyway, let’s cover our losses by any means and then make a quick exit”.
I think we should let the names of all AVPAS members burn into our hearts and when we come across them in any ACRA listing, we’ll know who they are.
It’s just like we’ll never forget who Matilda Chua and Richard Yong are.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:57 am
I will not threaten Stephen Sing but if I have the opportunity to meet him one to one, I will tell him this one sentence:
“May you live long to remember what you have done to your fellow singapore otakus”
quote modify from “300(movie) King Leonidas to Ephialtes on 3rd day of battle”
August 17th, 2007 at 11:52 am
for all u self righteous people who thinks that anime downloading is so wrong, think again.
anime is broadcast on tv in japan, so obviously everyone there watch anime for free. so how do u think an animation company survive in japan? they do get revenue from the tv station from broadcasting their works but i believe profits should come from the merchandise they sell. this free tv broadcast to the people acts as a form of advertising, to generate awareness, and to showcase how good their works really are. if a work is good, fans will purchase its dvds, the artbooks, cd singles/albums, models, other small goods etc. better works will further expand into making games and even movies(death note and nana) to reach out to the general public.
whereas in singapore, the only source of new episodes of an anime is through fansubs, by downloading, which is sadly and stupidly, deemed illegal. what odex is doing actually affects the “advertising” of anime works. being the monopoly of anime distribution in singapore, blames the downloading of anime as the reason for their poor sales instead of blaming their flawed goods. they will hurt the anime community for money. odex, from what i see, love their money more than they love the anime works and its fanbase.
the following are my arguments.
-don’t anime downloaders contribute to the anime works? i believe most out there will definitely purchase a merchandise from a series they like, profits from singapore are like extra income or bonus which i dont think the japanese expects to earn from us.
-what makes u think odex will improve and not runaway and abandoning the anime community after they have profited not from their products, but from the law?
P.S
i would like to quote 3 words for the anime lovers and fans in singapore.
“It’s very sad.”
August 17th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
What if I watch the anime via download and only buy the DVD boxset only after it is release from overseas?
If ODEX catch me for tracing my act of downloading, will I still have to pay the fine? (Since I have the original copy. Not from ODEX)
August 17th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
iw onder why is it so weird… ODEX should be goin around banning the websites but instead, they come fine us ? They should fine those who uploaded them on the sites though… And whats more… Watchin online also gets caught ? The people who uploaded them shloud be the ones that should be fined because THEY ARE THE ONES THAT LET US WATCH THE ANIMES !!! Its so freaking weird to catch those that watch others’ uploaded anime when we are not the ones that should be blamed. Now i am so freaking confused whether i will be fined for watching other peoples’ uploaded anime without downloading…
August 17th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Not that i am here to flame anyone or anything. But i must admit i am also in the line of fire. I personally find odex very amusing in that the fact that they do not care for their customer base at all and chase down us illegal downloaders. many factors have lead to todays tragic scenario and given that the uproar of comments is fast and furious soon odex would have to bury it’s head under mud and cover it self up if they want to continue to sell anime related products in singapore. They have cause alot of anguish among us netizens and their plan have backfired.
Things that have kept resurfacing in my mind is that why odex has choose this way to approach its customer base, as even a layman would know that the customer is always right. Can this be attributed to singapore’s failing service standards? This is service isnt it? I have reasons to believe that odex is just follow a mindset where what ever they put out on the market the consumers would like and have to buy. Well since they are the sole anime distributor in singapore they can do whatever they want.
The U.S approach, they way the anime distributors in the united states do things is that they go after the anime-subbers and warn them so that they stop distributing the fansubs online and for the fansub groups many of them gladly comply to the warnings and cease all subbing of the alleged work, but as we all know that is not how odex does it stuff. They get court order and blast the crap out of their consumers. case in point is the 9 yr old kid case.
The isp’s - i keep thinking how much of a resistance did the isp’s actually put up. Seems to me that their resistance was weak putting up a weak fight to protect it’s customers. The fact that court order was given to odex would show that the isp’s arent really shielding their customers. probably for the many that have gotten the dreaded letter the isp was their line of defense and that defense crumbled. It would seem to me that some form of transparency is needed to show that is really going on with odex and the court case againts the isps. How the isps really tried to protect us it’s customers?
Odex plans? well i would say that for odex the company is pretty much doomed they have incompetent directors that decide to lash out at their customers instead of thinking of ways to salvage the local scene they decided to destroy it all together. Local otakus will never see this company in the same light again. People whom have bought their stuff will feel regret people whom have planned to buy their stuff will now never ever buy their stuff. No matter how great their future plans are they will never succeed now. I am guessing that they probably do not have a contingency plan on how to get out of this mess which they have created. Most probably odex has just thrown themselves into a never ending abyss of hatred.
The goverment of the republic - i would surely like to know what is the goverment’s stand in this case, as things have already risen to the national level a response from the goverment would surely be welcomed so that we know that there is a third party which can be involved and be there to decide, instead of a war between the community and odex.
Although odex is not totally wrong but their method will surely be their demise. How far things will go i am not sure, but of odex doesnt do a 180 degrees turnaround things will surely escalate it is just akin to a ticking time bomb.
August 17th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
things i like to add.
i used to buy products from Odex. but ever since the 1st one i bought. the more disappointed i am after the 2nd 3rd and so on. the quality is juz really sad. the subbing is bad. inaccurate. and the timing really IS disgusting. at times i can even read subs from 2 minutes ago.
the packaging is certainly OK. but wat we anime fans really want is the content. not the packaging and wraping.
if the packaging is sucky, and unappealing. but the content is 100% effort. of course we will buy. i got a shelf full of anime (sadly alot of them are from odex) i juz watch once and stack it there. reason is due to the bad subbing and quality. watching it simply upsets me. the pixeling of the anime is saddening.
yes its cheaper. compared to imports and US counterparts. but imports and US countarparts are of much higher quality. compared to wat ODEX offered. its cheaper by ard 40%. BUT! the quality is sort of lower by 80%. that is not what we want.
bad sales is not due to downloading. BUT due to bad quality.
if something is of bad quality. seriously.. will u continue to purchase it? i think not.
sueing and getting compensation from fans IS not a way out. yes in short term they can “COVER” the loss. but on the long run. the sales will not pick up even if fans stop downloading.
the excuses from ODEX are juz as sickening. about the limitation of a VCD. but delieve it or not. even their DVD quality is about the same. and please don’t say the limitation on a DVD.
as above mentioned. really. there is no point in boycotting ODEX products. since not much pple are buying in the 1st place.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
You’re a funny guy, eh, Mr. Singh? Really, if you think that’s going to save your pathetic company, good luck.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
testuo01 is right, even if you you fine everyone and you have the money, and you will still have to close the company becoz until the time when you have no one else to sue in this country and people not buying your stuff, you will be feeding your cash into a bottomless pit.
I have a friend who has deeply devoted to anime, and when he invited me over to watch his volumes, our mouths opened wide. We can’t believe it was such a nightmare experience.
I remembered one of the volumes we watched is Angelic Layer, the video inside the VCDs are not smooth, and the video quality is totally worst than you buy pokemon single CDs you can find in the streets. Odex, you have seen the gold in the mine but you haven seen the jewel that is deeper inside.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:42 am
Stephen. If you think you can get away with robbing of people you are very wrong. We all have our eyes on you already
August 18th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Actually, I am wondering why we can’t use a local comparison to justify our claims?
I believe a fraction (i would say majority) of anime fans are also fans of manga. And everyone knows who Chuang Yi is in the local manga sphere. One manga volume cost around $6-7 dollars for the normal non-hardcover/special edition type. Not that cheap, considering that the cost will add up with each manga series having multiple volumes before completion. I personally have spent close to $10k on manga since I started the craze 6 years ago.
Every month, I still spend a substantial amount on manga. This is the case even after I found out SCANLATIONS existed. But I still buy original manga from local publisher Chuang Yi and Taiwan publishers like Tong Li. We don’t see CY beating their chest claiming falling sales due to illegal downloading of scanlations do we? Because they don’t feel heated competition from illegal downloading of manga and have confidence in their customers to support them. And their confidence stems from the fact that CY has been constantly improving themselves by releasing new titles fast and of quality (in terms of translations and packaging etc). They weren’t that good IMO in the past, because they had fewer titles, not impressive packaging and lack of publicity etc. However, I now respect CY as I have seen how they have grown over the years, adapting and changing to the needs of the local manga community.
They branched from just publishing Chinese translated manga to English versions of the comics. There is even a handy Chuangyi newletter thing, that is great publicity (i feel) as people can pick it up for free at places at bookshops/stationery shops where the comics are sold. They appear in book fairs and are supportive and initiate contact with schools as they know a positive attitude will win the favor of potential customers.
I think CY serves as a positive example of “How to make a successful business when dealing with Singaporean otakus”. Which is something Odex could learn from.
August 18th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
People getting sued for downloading Bleach can actually make noise though, all the versions I saw off Bleach on store shelves today are not regularly updated, and worse, its CHINESE subs only.
What about the non-chinese fanbase dammit?
Doesn’t matter to me, since I understand Jap, but as I said, what about OTHERS!?
August 19th, 2007 at 12:21 am
i basiclly siding the “pirates”.
Yet i wanna say, “Stephan, ur face looks f***ing more suckie then my china man boss, & ur brain is far more simple then the 9years old boy u sued.” & “i will not tell u to get ur a** out of the picture but i will just cross my arms & see how u will die in ur own hands.”
August 19th, 2007 at 12:54 am
When I learnt about a 9-yr-old kid also kena the fine, SS, think. For what kind of sins you did to the public eyes, even God is watching. You take money from him, and if the parents were to blame, they will just believed wad that YOU had said and blame on their child, it has alrdy leaves a scar on him. While other kids sees anime as a wonderful thing, he sees anime as a burden and shame to his family. Anime is suppose to be admired, and it is suppose to be an ‘okay’ thing. Now that you ruin the culture, you no longer belong here.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:03 am
Support the Odex Rebellion against Odex oppression of the public and wear your Black Ribbons! Join in now: Find out more at http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com
If you were not able to participate in funding for the court case against Odex, play your small part against this tyranny. Stop the talk. Take action now; every small move counts.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:03 am
Support the Odex Rebellion against Odex oppression of the public and wear your Black Ribbons! Join in now: Find out more at http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com
If you were not able to participate in funding for the court case against Odex, play your small part against this tyranny. Stop the talk. Take action now; every small move counts!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
ATTENTION:
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THERE WILL BE AN ODEX BURNING CEREMONY ON AUGUST 25TH, 2007 AT THE YOUTH PARK OPPOSITE ORCHARD CINELEISURE! PLEASE BRING ALONG YOUR ODEX BOX CASES TO TRADE THEM IN FOR A BLACK RIBBON. THE ODEX BURNING CEREMONY WILL TAKE PLACE AT 5:00PM (1700 HRS). YOUTUBERS FEEL FREE TO VISIT, ALL ARE WELCOME. http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com
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August 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
If that’s really the case, than Odex should ban youtube as well since we can watch anime for free there too. Besides, the anime that is liscenced to them, One piece is already out to it’s 300 episode while they only publish 100 episode. How long do you expect us to wait??
August 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
ATTENTION:
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CHANGED AS OF 19TH AUGUST 2007 4:15PM (1615 HRS), THE ODEX BURNING CEREMONY WILL BE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THERE WILL BE A COLLECTION OF ODEX CD’S AT THE YOUTH PARK ON AUGUST 25TH 2007 AT 5:00PM (1700 HRS). BREAK THE CD’S AND TOSS INTO OUR JUNK BAG, AND THE CARDBOARD CD COVERS WILL BE SEPERATED FOR RECYCLING. ALL THRASHED CD’S WILL EITHER BE RECYCLED OR RETURNED TO ODEX AT THEIR OFFICE. SIMILARLY, TRADE IN YOUR BOX FOR A RIBBON AND JOIN THE CAUSE. http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com/
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August 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
I can’t believe that xysing so childish and cek ark, but already a father. (o.o)y”
August 19th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Ok, correct me if i’m wrong.
I’ve been thinking alot about the issue.
Basing on some assumptions on my part, i think its in agreement that most of us will be boycotting odex stuff, right?
Just curious does anyone seriously think that odex will go out of business eventually? I mean seriously.
Because if you recall odex has some revenues from Mediacorp, i think,
for the crappily-subbed anime on Central at 9 pm on some days of the week. Plus the 3k minimium Mr Sing is getting from, most of the recently, the 1k people he threaten to sue from starhub. The notion seem rather remote.
These are the options i’ve considered
So at best, i think we can sue for odex monopolising on the anime market in singapore and hope it works.
At the same time we can complain all the way to tokyo to petition that “odex-subbed anime really-really suck!”. I would think its in their(the japanese) best interest to ensure that when their products distributed overseas, it will be of a decent quality because I hate my gundam seed destiny vcd set from odex so much i felt like torching it. (spend like 1k importing it from US or jap)
With the censorship board in singapore, chances are we’re getting another odex substitude. Unless the next company decides to stand up to the singapore goverment and make a decent case. and hopefully if we back the company and ask very nicely, the singapore government will fold.
Frankly, i’m saving money to migrate to japan. the girls are prettier :)(taking japanese lessons now!!!!).
August 19th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
*(and spent like 1k importing it from jap or US)
August 20th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Found this link from hardwarezone. Smth for a joke =D
http://forums.playpark.net/showpost.php?p=1533422&postcount=562
August 20th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Booties Says:
August 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
I will only support other companies like INNOFORM who brought in KARAS and G.H.O.S.T IN A SHELL & not ODEX. What I can’t understand is their(ODEX’S) lack of acknowledging Singaporean Fan Base of anime. I’m willing to pay for DVD and good subs. But they obviously take too long and I can’t imagine why after 1 year of waiting (for bleach), They are still not releasing anything after episode 51 and it’s in mandarin and chinese subs. Do they need almost a year to load it in a DVD(or VCD) and sub? Anime like G.H.O.S.T in a shell (stand alone complex) was in DVD and it’s fantasic and cost me about S$80. I shelled the money out right after reading that it was DVD and had english subs. What’s the point of buying VCD and watch the lousier quality when the artist put in so much effort to get it in DVD grade? I will pay willingly, if they set up a wesite and release single episodes say 5-10 days after it’s aired from Japan and I pay with credit card. MY CONCLUSION : Make It a Legal Download. Or make it in VCD/DVD fast. Like 13 episode lag time only. Currently ( For Bleach ) Japan is airing episode 136 soon and Stores in Singapore are at episode 51 and in Chinese. And if you think Singaporeans ( 1 of the fast walking people in the world) are going to wait anything from months to years for anything like dvd movies or anime, you GOTTA be kidding. Finally, I feel that Odex is not trying to make sales better they’re just making sales from now on worse. Heard from my Hardcore anime friends that they’ll just pool money and buy from amazon.com. Looks Like I’ll Join In too. And from now onwards, will not buy anything from Odex.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:14 pm
look at this link: http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/08/19/odex-having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too/#more-864
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:50 am
Hi all,
A same case related to Odex’s Case.
Must READ and YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE FACTS!
Is kind of long but READ for your own good and defend.
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/08/07/the-riaa-vs-john-doe-a-laypersons-guide-to-filesharing-lawsui/
http://info.riaalawsuits.us/howriaa.htm
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:55 am
Clarifying matters regarding former Odex Rebellion and event:
http://xedodefense.org/smf/index.php?topic=131.0
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:16 am
[Quoted from Today]
Voices on Radio
Is Odex stretching the law in its actions against illegal anime downloaders? Considering the age of some culprits, would a warning letter be enough? What trail has Odex blazed for other Intellectual Property owners? These were questions raised by TODAY commentator Thomas Koshy and other readers in the past week.
Tune in to 938Live’s Talkback programme from 8.15am to 8.45am tomorrow (friday) for a debate on this issue. Call 6691 1938 to share your thoughts.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Seems that the court has ruled in favour in PacNet on Thursday. The ISP does NOT have to submit the names of the subscribers who are allegedly accused of illegally downloading anime to ODEX.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:15 am
no fair. why doesn’t starhub or singnet fight odex for the court order!!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 9:48 am
They did fight, but they lost the case. So it’s quite a surprise that pacnet actually won
August 24th, 2007 at 10:07 am
actually i think its the fact that pacnet is actually a foreign company. the singapore government tends to be more sensitive to issues with foreign influence.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:20 am
or rather when it affect interest of a foreign origin
August 25th, 2007 at 3:33 am
lokks like many people will switch over to pacnet
August 25th, 2007 at 3:38 am
unless starhub or singnet does something about it
August 25th, 2007 at 10:01 am
singnet maybe because it have some government backing
but starhub may most likely not do it
even if starhub did, its unlikely to win
August 25th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
actually singnet did not even hire any lawyer according to the news dated 25th aug. its a total letdown as a singnet subscriber..
August 25th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
[...] (who got thr dreaded ODEX letter) and Tedfox have interesting posts on the [...]
August 26th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
i don’t think the letter would come that fast, would it?
anyway singnet didn’t hire a lawyer?
So basically singnet merely handed them the list of names without putting up a fight for their “valued customers”?
August 26th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Ya, that’s what stated on the newspaper. It states that S informed O that if O is able to get a court order for the release of the info, S will give it to O. It also states that during the court order hearing, no representatives from S was present - that means, S is not contesting against the ruling.
Feels like the “weather” is getting more and more grey and overcast as the days go by…
August 28th, 2007 at 9:41 am
sucks to be singnet subscriber. Hopely starhub put up more of a fight or else …
August 29th, 2007 at 3:30 am
Singnet is too busy sorting out its lame MIO TV / MIO Voice plans to care about fighting back ODEX.
September 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 am
You might want to add that Odex had recently at a press conference said that they did not force anyone to pay and that all compensation was done willingly. Furthermore, they claimed that all excess money will be donated to a charitable cause. Didn’t they say that they could hardly cover 20% of the expenses in the first place?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 am
If you don’t pay the “compensation” they will see you in court lor. This is what they called “settlement out of court”.
To be exact, the newspaper stated that ODEX will get an auditor in and any extra will be donated to charities. Well, it’s up to everyone’s guess whether there’ll be extra or not.
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:38 pm
the charities will be those 2 jack arses pockets
November 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
If Odex Do Donated to Charities He only want GOD to Forgive him! 4 Doing Bad Thing!! Ask 4 Poor 4 So much $$..
November 25th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
I LOVE ODEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 25th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
ok just kidding it’s the opposite